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Not sure if this is in the database; it's not in the 1996 book.
The 3:50 version of this song on 1975 - Only Dance - 1979 is missing the first 8 beats of the song, but otherwise it appears to be based on the same analog transfer used for The Disco Years Vol. 2.
This probably warrants a comment in the database of missing the first 8 beats of the 45 and LP version or something to that effect.
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The Disco Years and Only Dance CDs have "neither" next to them. In fact, almost all CDs have "neither" next to them, and the ones I've heard have a completely different edit than the 45. Apparently, only Mega-Hits Dance Classics Vol. 3 has the correct version, but it's "considerably faster." I ended up doing my own edit using the LP version as the source.
Edited by aaronk on 22 September 2010 at 10:38am
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iTunes has the Dance Vault Mixes : Disco Night (Rock Freak) - Single on Arista with both the 45 version at the correct speed plus the longer LP version. BTW, the flip side of the vinyl 45 was GQ's version of A Taste of Honey's "Boogie Oogie Oogie."
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I did a needle drop of the original Arista 45 and that's
good enough for me.
Very interesting how the wrong edit keeps showing up on CD.
Since Bill Inglot kind of got the ball rolling on that one,
didn't he figure out that he had been using the wrong edit
all those years?
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Found my 45 of this track.
It runs 3:55, and 123.2 BPM throughout with no drift (uses a click track).
Not only is it a different edit than The Disco Years Vol. 2 (and a very different edit at that - too many differences to name conveniently), it's a different mix, too. For example: on the 45, after 8 beats, there's a "shuck-a-toom" guitar accent, which isn't on the Rhino version. The 45 says "Re-mixed by Jimmy Simpson", so it's possible that the Rhino mix is edited down from the LP mix (a guess). The Rhino disc version also runs 123.2 BPM throughout, so it's the same pitch as the 45, just the wrong mix.
The version on Mega Hits Dance Classics Vol. 3 is the 45 mix, but running at 126.5 BPM, or about 2.7% too fast. VERY noticeable pitch difference, and mastered too loud so there's lots of clipping. The fade point is in the right place, but is off by about 6 seconds because of the pitch difference.
The version on my copy of Rhino's Phat Trax Vol. 5 runs 7:55 (not the 5:06 listed in the 1996 edition of Pat's book), and also runs at 126.6. Maybe the LP or 12" version ran that fast? This mix seems even emptier than the one on Disco Years, so it can't be edited down to the 45 version.
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No, the mix is 100% same as the LP version and the wrong
edit. It's those edits that are confusing you. Also, in
the old days, a remix was simply the actual mix. In those
days, recordings were mixed as they were recorded for
economy and out of habit.
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The Hits Man wrote:
No, the mix is 100% same as the LP version and the wrong
edit. It's those edits that are confusing you. Also, in
the old days, a remix was simply the actual mix. In those
days, recordings were mixed as they were recorded for
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I will trust others on the board about the 45 single mix on this one.. however... The version on Phat Tracks is a pretty lousy mix of this recording, and I'm going to take an educated guess that it's the original mix, and that both the hit single mix and hit 12" were remixed by Jimmy Simpson. The rise of disco music in the late 70's led to the rise of D.J.s being hired to remix songs to have greater potential in clubs. This song was a disco hit first, and then crossed over to radio. Months later, a full length album was rush completed and issued, containing the full 12" mix of the title hit.
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Santi Paradoa wrote:
| iTunes has the Dance Vault Mixes : Disco Night (Rock Freak) - Single on Arista with both the 45 version at the correct speed plus the longer LP version. BTW, the flip side of the vinyl 45 was GQ's version of A Taste of Honey's "Boogie Oogie Oogie." |
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Thanks for the heads up on this! I downloaded this version and it sounds 100% correct to my ears.
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The Hits Man is right that the mix is exactly the same as the LP version. I did a careful comparison of the two when creating my own edit to match the 45.
Ron, the reason you don't hear the "shuck-a-toom" guitar accent on the Rhino edit is due to an editing difference of the LP version. The intro on the LP version is probably twice as long (if not longer) as the 45 version, and Rhino has just edited it incorrectly.
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Steve Sharp wrote:
The Hits Man wrote:
No, the mix is
100% same as the LP version and the wrong
edit. It's those edits that are confusing you. Also, in
the old days, a remix was simply the actual mix. In
those
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I will trust others on the board about the 45 single mix
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You can do whatever you want. Never mind that I grew up
with this song, both the 45 and the LP, and was around
whe it was riding up the charts.
aaronk wrote:
The Hits Man is right that the mix is
exactly the same as the LP version. I did a careful
comparison of the two when creating my own edit to match
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Thank you, others! :)
Steve Sharp, I said nothing about the extended mix,
presumably
the 12'
single. It is apparently not the same as the LP.45 mix.
Again, the terminology of "remix" used in the 70s was a
bit different than it is today.
Edited by The Hits Man on 28 September 2010 at 9:59am
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Is there a reason you're being hostile and condescending?
In 1979, I was an avid 16 year old record collector. I was there, too, in whatever "old days" you're talking about. If you wish to dispute any of my experiences or observations or some actual facts, let me know.
Methods and usages or remixes have changed, but definition of remix has not. I stand by my post.
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Steve, I was upset because of how you said you would
trust others meaning "instaed of me". That's why
I quoted you. To me, you sounded hostile.
I still have the original 45 that I bought in 1979. I
also bought the LP soon after that, and know they are the
same mix. I cannot speak for the longer version
mentioned by someone else.
It appears we are the exact, same age, then, and i was
also an avid record collector then.
The definition of 'remix" has changed. I stand by my
post.
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I said I would "trust others" about the single edit, meaning I wasn't commenting about the single version AT ALL, but would take the word of those who had studied it, including yours.
I CAN comment on the 12", the album version (which are the same), as well as the different version that appears on Rhino's Phat Traxx cd series, as I have all of them.
How you managed to twist these observations into something offensive to you is beyond me.
How has the definition of remix changed? What was it, at what point, and what is it now, according to you?
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I interpreted your response the way I did because you
quoted me. That's how I connected the dots.
But, now that we have both explained our reactions, we
can probably dismiss this. I now realize you weren't
being insulting, and you know that wasn't either. I also
don't think Mr. Downey, or the rest of the forum
appreciate this type of exchange.
So, anyway, back to the topic. I think we all know now
that the 45 and LP versions are the same mix. The
differences in the edit most commonly found on CD is
neither the 45 or LP version. I now have to seek out the
12 version.
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There is a brand new expanded Funky Town Grooves release of the 1979 album Disco Nights which includes all eight LP tracks plus five bonus cuts. This new release (FTG 313) includes the 45 version (at the correct speed), LP version and the 12" version of Disco Nights (Rock Freak).
Edited by Santi Paradoa on 24 July 2012 at 8:44am
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Santi Paradoa wrote:
iTunes has the Dance Vault
Mixes : Disco Night (Rock Freak) - Single on Arista
with both the 45 version at the correct speed plus the
longer LP version. BTW, the flip side of the vinyl 45 was
GQ's version of A Taste of Honey's "Boogie Oogie Oogie."
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Just FYI, i finally got around to upgrading my disc dub
of the 45 edit, but alas, the edited version on "Dance
Vault Mixes" digital single is most definitely the
"neither" version. :-(
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With Mark's help we have determined that the brand new Funky Town Grooves disc DOES NOT have the correct 45 edit, but instead is again the same old "neither" version of "Disco Nights." I shouldn't be surprised that they labeled the song as the 7" single when it is not the hit 45 (why would they bother to finally get it right).
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Mark, are you sure it's not the correct single version? I just bought it because I thought it was. So sad. Maybe we'll have to wait for the CD release of the album - although the manufacturer may end up using the wrong single version as well since everyone else has.
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I don't know how to delete a post - I just read Santi's message and realized that the new CD also contains the wrong version. Oh well.
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Yup, wrong edit again, Frank.
Well, one clue in all this is that the actual 45 master
is either mis-filed or gone. Since the "neither" edit is
on the digital single from the label itself, it's obvious
the label itself has that file stored as the "single
version" and anyone requesting it will get that.
A simple case over all these years of cd compilations
where everyone receiving this master just took it on
faith it was the single, being it runs the correct time.
So at least for now this single master is in the land-of-
the-lost with so many others.
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