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Something I'd like to see is a list of commercial 45s that were originally
stereo and not mono. This list of course would begin circa 1967 with a few,
then grow through 1968, 1969, etc., until such time as the tables would turn
and stereo 45s were more common and mono 45s were less common.
Is anyone else interested in learning this info? It wouldn't take much, just
someone with the original 45s from this era!
here's hoping...
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Yikes! That sounds like it would be quite a project, especially since stereo issues were hit or miss well into the 70s...even labels where most of their singles were stereo (like A&M) would throw in a mono one from time to time. Keep in mind also that some were marked "stereo" but were mono, others unmarked but stereo (and a few marked "mono" but were stereo..."How Do You Do"-Mouth & McNeil was one). There were also a few examples where the stamper for the stereo side of the promo was used on some commercial copies, while other pressings of the same song were mono.
Not counting late 50s stereo singles (which were also, and more commonly available in mono), the earliest commercial stereo 45 I know of was "Rice Is Nice"-Lemonpipers in early '68.
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Double yikes, for all the reasons Steve mentioned. Then there's the matter of Canadian 45s, too. Triple yikes!
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yah, wasn't even thinking of tossing in the CAD 45s. I know many of these
differed from their US counterparts. It would take someone listening to a few
hundred 45s from the late 60s, early 70s. And, was more thinking TOP 40,
in line with the database of this site. I have the time, just not the 45s ;(
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Let's see...James Brown's "Say It Loud, I'm Black And I'm
Proud" from 1968 was his first stereo single.
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The Hits Man wrote:
James Brown's "Say It Loud, I'm Black And I'm
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I just listened to Parts 1 & 2 of my commercial 45 and they are both mono.
And so we begin down the slippery slope of compiling a definitive list... :)
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davidclark wrote:
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Then this 45's for you!
Sorry, I couldn't resist. As a bonus, the items shown on the picture sleeve will aid in the research (although maybe not the accuracy thereof.) ;)
Oh, and that red label 45 is mono. :)
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As noted above, a definitive list may be infeasible, but it
may be worth calling out some of the known "stereo 45
anomalies in the mono era". The ones that come to mind
immediately are The Doors singles from The Soft Parade that
were unique stereo mixes ("Touch Me", "Wishful Sinful"). I
don't have the 45 of "Tell All The People" (that was a
single, wasn't it)...I'm assuming that one was stereo as
well. Strangely, they went back to mono for the Morrison
Hotel singles.
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Yah Shure wrote:
The Hits Man wrote:
James Brown's
"Say It Loud, I'm Black And I'm
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I just listened to Parts 1 & 2 of my
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45 and they are both mono.
And so we begin down the slippery slope of compiling a
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Mine's stereo.
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davidclark wrote:
Something I'd like to see is a list of commercial 45s that were originally
stereo and not mono. This list of course would begin circa 1967 with a few,
then grow through 1968, 1969, etc., until such time as the tables would turn
and stereo 45s were more common and mono 45s were less common.
Is anyone else interested in learning this info? It wouldn't take much, just
someone with the original 45s from this era!
here's hoping... |
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David:
I would certainly be interested in helping compile a comprehensive list of Top 40 Hits from 1968-1974 indicating which 45s were pressed in mono and which were in stereo given the full and gradual transition from mono to stereo during this time period. Unfortunately, I have my plate very full right now with music-related projects, but at some point I would love to see such a list come to fruition. In the meantime, one of our top vinyl 45 gurus jimct has been very helpful in posting mono/stereo information for a number of 45s he has listened to and examined throughout the course of his music research. By conducting an artist or song search here on the message board, you just might find stereo/mono information about a particular 45 thanks to the valuable contributions of our good friend Jim!
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Good to hear, Todd. True, our friend Jim does indeed post the mono/stereo
indication for 45s he listens to. I have made notes from his posts.
Maybe we can indeed get to this list someday. I agree with the '68-'74
timeframe. 1968 will see stereo the lesser number, gradually moving to
mono the lesser as we move forward in time. For 1968/69, perhaps we can
simply list the stereo 45s, thus concluding all others are mono.
Naturally, anomalies like the James Brown that were issued both stereo and
mono we would note.
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davidclark wrote:
Something I'd like to see is a list of commercial 45s that were originally
stereo and not mono. This list of course would begin circa 1967 with a few,
then grow through 1968, 1969, etc., until such time as the tables would turn
and stereo 45s were more common and mono 45s were less common.
Is anyone else interested in learning this info? It wouldn't take much, just
someone with the original 45s from this era!
here's hoping... |
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David:
Hope no more! You'll be happy to know I've decided to exert my research skills to full capacity and undertake the laborious task of compiling a comprehensive list of Top 40 singles for each year from 1968-1974 and noting whether their corresponding 45 releases were issued in mono or stereo. I understand this goes beyond the scope of Pat's database, but I know there's a demand for such a list and it would no doubt serve as a valuable reference tool for those of us who collect Top 40 hits on CD from this era. So this is just a heads up that I eventually plan on posting a definitive mono/stereo 45 listing for each of the aforementioned years. Stay tuned for the first installment coming very soon to a new thread near you!
Edited by Todd Ireland on 17 January 2012 at 11:57pm
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Cool! Great idea. I'd just suggest that you also have a very short "appendix" that includes all mono 45s issued from 1975 onward. "Melt With You" by Modern English comes to mind - although that wasn't top 40, if I recall (though it sure felt like it was). I think David Dundas' "Jeans On" from 1977 should apply. (A few have said it's slight slight stereo, but that could be debated.) Any others?
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The Stray Cats' "Rock This Town" (1982) was mono (both LP
and 45 versions). A nice homage to their roots. The rest
of their catalog was stereo.
Black Box's "I Don't Know Anybody Else" (1990) was mono - I
still can't figure out why.
I think the "Beatles Movie Medley" was in mono?
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crapfromthepast wrote:
The Stray Cats' "Rock This Town"
(1982) was mono (both LP
and 45 versions). A nice homage to their roots. The
rest
of their catalog was stereo.
Black Box's "I Don't Know Anybody Else" (1990) was mono -
I
still can't figure out why.
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"Beatles Movie Medley" was mostly stereo. The "Hard
Day's Night" snippet sounds like mono to me but the other
snippets were in stereo.
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Roscoe wrote:
"Beatles Movie Medley" was mostly stereo.
The "Hard Day's Night" snippet sounds like mono to me but
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Good memory, Roscoe! I can't even remember the last time I
heard that medley...
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crapfromthepast wrote:
Roscoe wrote:
"Beatles Movie
Medley" was mostly stereo.
The "Hard Day's Night" snippet sounds like mono to me but
the other snippets were in stereo. |
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Good memory, Roscoe! I can't even remember the last time I
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Maybe you were thinking of the "Beach Boys Medley" from
1981? That one is in fact 100% mono.
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EdisonLite wrote:
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What about Joe Jackson's "Is She Really Going Out With Him"? Sounds like mono to me.
also "Emotion"--Helen Reddy
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One more - Wham's "The Edge Of Heaven" is basically mono,
with only a very slight panning of a guitar solo.
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Hykker wrote:
What about Joe Jackson's "Is She Really Going Out With Him"? Sounds like mono to me.
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Joe Jackson is definitely in stereo, albeit narrow. This is from my promo 45 Stereo side A&M12624-(Stereo)S-1 and Steppin' Out The Very Best of Joe Jackson double CD 314-556-537-2. The separation is not there when the vocal starts but is there on many of the instrumental parts.
Helen Reddy is again definitely in stereo on Best Now, a Japanese import TOCP-9115 (CD) as well as Helen Reddy's Greatest Hits LP ST-11467. The piano intro is dominant in the left channel and also has a narrow stereo image.
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