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Posted: 30 October 2019 at 8:37pm \| IP Logged

Boy, if there are mix differences, they're really slight.

The only element I can pinpoint is a high-pitched keyboard part at the beginning of the song. If you start counting the beats at the beginning of the 45 version, this keyboard part is from roughly beat #8 to beat #13. This one keyboard part seems to be emphasized just a bit in the 45 version, compared to the original LP version. In the 45, I think I may hear the keyboard part move around in the soundstage, like a stereo reverb or something like that. In the LP, that one part seems to be stationary in the soundstage. I may just be hearing EQ-related artifacts; the mastering on the James Ingram Greatest Hits The Power Of Music is pretty sparkly, and really emphasizes the high end, compared to what I'd expect to hear from vinyl.

But boy, is that a minor difference.

Let's see what Mark and Aaron can determine; they have better ears than I do.

By the way, the promo 45 has a designation of "(Edit)", which is no guarantee that it's not a remix.

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Posted: 30 October 2019 at 11:08pm \| IP Logged

I am on the fence about whether or not there are mix differences. I may be able to chalk it up to a tiny bit of compression and EQ difference. There are a couple spots that stand out to me, though, but really only when I'm listening on headphones.

1) The hi-hat taps on the intro have a fairly distinguishable delayed reverb on the 45 version. The reverb doesn't stand out as much on the LP. This is the most obvious difference I can hear. The next two are very subtle...

2) During the first chorus, after the line "this was meant to be," there's a keyboard melody. On the LP, it's in the left channel with only a faint trace in the right channel. On the 45 version, there's a stereo reverb in the right channel that stands out a bit more.

3) During the bridge ("the night can be cold...") there's a triangle percussion instrument that is panned to the left in the 45 but more centered on the LP.

These differences are all very minor, but they suggest that Quincy mixed the 45 and LP versions separately and didn't simply make an edit for the 45.

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Posted: 20 November 2019 at 8:47pm \| IP Logged

I finally found the original LP version on cd and it's
from a German import called: The No.1 hits 1983 on the
SR International label. Above that logo its says 796110
Club Exclusive.

https://www.discogs.com/Various-The-No1-Hits-
1983/release/5823691

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Posted: 27 March 2020 at 12:27pm \| IP Logged

AutumnAarilyn wrote:

Did you mean that you actually have the CD, or just that you came across a listing that had the LP Version's running time? If you have the CD, how is the sound on it?

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Posted: 27 March 2020 at 9:03pm \| IP Logged

Yes, I bought the actual cd from overseas on Discogs and
it sounds good.

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Posted: 28 March 2020 at 5:56pm \| IP Logged

Great, thanks. I'll probably order it myself now.

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Posted: 25 April 2020 at 8:12am \| IP Logged

I just obtained the CD and at about 13 seconds in, I hear what sounds to be either very light static or dust, which makes me suspect that it may have been transferred from vinyl.

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Posted: 27 April 2020 at 6:43am \| IP Logged

I stand corrected. I put the disc into another drive and it came out fine, with the static/dust noise being gone.

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Posted: 27 April 2020 at 6:03pm \| IP Logged

I thought it sounded decent. It looks like Quincy won't
totally rewrite history with this one. (LOL)

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After Dan and I both listened to the import CD again, we both agree that there is definitely static at the 0:13 mark. It sounds to my ears like someone was making a small adjustment to the fader, and the fader was dirty (crackly).

This has also given me a chance to re-listen more carefully to the LP version and 45 version, and I'm now convinced that they are very slightly different mixes. Quincy added a bit of high frequency reverb to the hi-hat and vocals of the 45 version that is not present on the LP mix. So, you truly can't edit down the LP version to create the 45 version, even though the mixes are super close.

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Posted: 29 April 2020 at 12:18pm \| IP Logged

Quincy was sneaky like that.

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Posted: 17 April 2022 at 5:39pm \| IP Logged

Pat has the LP version as 3:45. Is that true or does it need to be updated to reflect the timing on the 1994 German compilation CD which is about 2.5 seconds short of that?

Edited by PopArchivist on 17 April 2022 at 5:40pm

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PopArchivist wrote:

Pat has the LP version as 3:45. Is that true or does it need to be updated to reflect
the timing on the 1994 German compilation CD which is about 2.5 seconds short of that?

Maybe the CD version runs faster than the LP, therefore resulting in the 2 second difference?

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