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There is still one remaining Hall & Oates "hit version" that hasn't been released digitally--"One On One". The DJ 45 featured an edited version of the 12" mix. This is the version was played on the radio where I lived. Technically the 45 version of "Possession Obsession" hasn't seen a proper digital relase either as it is faded too early on the 2 disc hits compliation.
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Here are some numbers for some of the Billy Joels that have been mentioned, Gordon:
Sometimes A Fantasy 1-11379 / ZSS 167776
Keeping The Faith (Special Mix) 38-04681 / ZSS 173147
Movin' Out - 3-10708 / ZSS 164108
The Entertainer - 3-10064 / ZSS 159589
Though I don't think the ZSS numbers are the "tape number" -- that would be the matrix number, which indicates the pressing, not the tape. The promo 45s have a different matrix number, for example.
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sriv94 wrote:
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Eddie Money - Baby Hold
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Unless they're improper edits, this 45 is fairly easy to
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Good to know, the only version I've found sounded
suspiciously like a needledrop. Any hints as to which one
has the best mastering?
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That's not something I'm expert at. Let me defer on that.
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How about:
Barbra Streisand/Stoney End
All of the early Chicago singles,particularly "Does Anybody Really Know"
Sly and the Family Stone/Thank You
Loggins and Messina/Vahevela
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sriv94 wrote:
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Jefferson Starship - No Way Out
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Hmm, according to Pat's database the 45 and LP are the same. Do you know something we don't know, Mark? :)
Also, quite a few Simon & Garfunkel 45s are different in mix from their LP counterparts. Notably:
The Sounds Of Silence (Columbia #4-43396)
Mrs. Robinson (Columbia #4-44511)
I Am A Rock (Columbia #4-43617)
Cecilia (Columbia #4-45133)
Don't have the actual 45s, so I can't provide tape numbers/runout groove numbers.
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Re: No Way Out ... well, sorry i was going from memory, i thought the 45 said something about a mix like "rock mix" or something, but that may have been a promo or a B-side... so nevermind.
Re S&G ... yeah i figured there'd be many requests for those singles. Just to add some info, "I Am A Rock" is a completely different recording than the LP. It is very close, so the LP's fine with me but nonetheless, the 45 is not the same take/recording.
"Cecilia" is also a very different mix, has some alternate vocals and the entire fade where they refrain "Whoa-whoa" over and over? On the mono single each one is unique, but on the LP version (for some odd reason) they looped one, so it's the same "whoa" all thru the fade.
I also finally heard the 45 mix for "Bridge Over Troubled Water" (we never had these 45's, we had the LP's and 8-tracks around the house and car...)... that mono mix is quite different as well. Very interesting to hear.
MM
Oh and PS: thanks Aaron for the tip about "Two Tickets"..i was unaware they finally released it. Great.
MM
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Rhino's done a pretty good job with releasing 45 versions of Chicago singles. "Make Me Smile" (which CBS put out on Chicago IX) and "25 Or 6 To 4" are very available.
Although among the exceptions are the aforementioned "Beginnings" and the stock 45 of "Does Anybody. . ." (the promo 45 of "Does Anybody. . ." is available but I'm not sure if the CD is still in print). Also, the double-sided hit "Questions 67 And 68" and "I'm A Man" would qualify (there is a stereo edit of "Questions" that's really close but not exact).
Catalog numbers:
"Beginnings" (Columbia 4-45417)
"Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" (Columbia 4-45264)
"Questions 67 And 68"/"I'm A Man" (Columbia 4-45467)
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<And has your friend ever mentioned lossless? >
No Brian. Of course, it's something I'd prefer. But right now, I'm just trying to get them interested in releasing these digitally.
Other than rhino.com, what sites offer lossless (that aren't WB product like Rhino)? In other words, do there already exist sites where Sony/BMG product are available digitally as lossless? Certainly, iTunes is not one.
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EdisonLite wrote:
Other than rhino.com, what sites offer lossless (that aren't WB product like Rhino)? In other words, do there already exist sites where Sony/BMG product are available digitally as lossless? Certainly, iTunes is not one. |
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Not Sony, I don't think, no, but HDTracks is getting an increasing number of labels, including Univesal and Warner, and selling them as 24-bit, 96khz or higher downloads, which is digital master tape quality. Problem is, they sell NO singles, just albums, many of which are "album only," or at least the key tracks that everybody wants are.
The reason I asked about lossless is because of the news reports several months ago that said Apple was in talks with all the major labels about offering 24-bit lossless downloads.
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john halloran wrote:
How about:
Barbra Streisand/Stoney End
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The commercial single was stereo... is there a difference between it and the album version? (Though for some reason, the reissue "Hall of Fame" 45 of "Stoney End" was mono.)
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All great picks, guys!
My list will include songs that have been issued on CD
somewhere in the world, but that are very rare and next
to impossible to locate. Sorry, I do not have the 45s on
hand, or immediately available for the cat #, as I have
to dig them all out, but my picks include:
Rock With You - Michael Jackson
Wanna be Startin' Something - Michael Jackson
Off The Wall - Michael Jackson
Fall In Love With me - Earth, Wind & Fire
Maggie - Redbone
Wovoka - Redbone
Hold On (With Strings) - Wild Cherry
And, here's three that only showed up on the
Sony 100 years: Soundtrack of a Century set:
Dream On - Aerosmith
Lowdown - Boz Scaggs
Play That Funky Music - Wild Cherry
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[/QUOTE]
The commercial single was stereo... is there a difference between it and the album version? (Though for some reason, the reissue "Hall of Fame" 45 of "Stoney End" was mono.)[/QUOTE]
Brian,
The strings were mixed down/out of the last coda (Babs wanted a "rock" top-40 hit).
I thought of a couple more:
Cymarron/Rings
also would be nice to have a 1st generation dub of
Santana/Oye Como Va, though I believe that can be edited.
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The Hits Man wrote:
All great picks, guys!
My list will include songs that have been issued on CD
somewhere in the world, but that are very rare and next
to impossible to locate.
Wanna be Startin' Something - Michael Jackson |
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Actually, Grant, the 45 mix/edit of "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" is on all the issues of "King of Pop," worldwide.
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does anyone have a comprehensive list of all the label names that would fall under the sony/bmg label umbrella?
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mainrhythm wrote:
Sony
Columbia
Epic
Legacy
Red
BMG
RCA
J
Arista
LaFace
So So Def
Jive
Zomba
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Which begs the question--if Rhino now controls Chicago's back catalogue, would Chicago be off limits for a project like this?
Edited by sriv94 on 20 July 2011 at 6:01pm
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sriv94 wrote:
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Which begs the question--if Rhino now controls Chicago's
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Yes. Chicago not only controls the Columbia-era music,
they own it.
Edited by The Hits Man on 20 July 2011 at 10:43pm
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More current Sony/BMG associated labels:
CBS Associated
Blue Sky
ARC (American Recording Company - Earth, Wind & Fire's
label)
Okeh
Date
T-Neck
Ode
Ross Records (Diana Ross' label)
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The Hits Man wrote:
sriv94 wrote:
sriv94 wrote:
Rhino's done a pretty
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Which begs the question--if Rhino now controls Chicago's
back catalogue, would Chicago be off limits for a project
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Yes. Chicago not only controls the Columbia-era music,
they own it. |
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Chicago owns it, or Rhino owns it?
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sriv94 wrote:
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Which begs the question--if Rhino now controls Chicago's back catalogue, would Chicago be off limits for a project like this? |
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Yes. If a Warner Brothers subsidiary (Rhino) owns Chicago material, Sony/BMG is not going to release digital singles that it would have to license from one of the other 3 major labels.
Also, on the list of current labels under the Sony/BMG roster, I think Arista should be included. Though not very active, Arista did put out all the decades-themed albums by Barry Manilow of the past five years (although his very last album was Barry's own project and not on the Arista label).
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