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EdisonLite wrote:
| Very sad to hear today that Gerry Rafferty died at age 63. His publicist announced that he had a "long illness". Really sad. Too young. Besides his 2 biggest hits, I particularly liked Stealers Wheel's "Star" and "Found My Way To You" as well as "Days Gone Down". RIP, Gerry. A very talented singer and songwriter. |
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Very sad news indeed, Gordon. I'm a fan of Gerry Rafferty's work and thought he deserved to have more hit singles in the U.S. than he did (not to mention, he was a very underrated guitarist). In addition to Rafferty, it's depressing to see the growing list of terrific singer-songwriters we've lost over the past few years (i.e. - Michael Jackson, Dan Fogelberg, Isaac Hayes, Paul Davis, Les Paul, Solomon Burke, Al Wilson, John Stewart, Dan Seals (of England Dan & John Ford Coley), Harvey Fuqua, etc.)
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satchdr wrote:
| Rafferty did some amazing music, including the not yet mentioned "Everythng'll Turn Out Fine" with Stealers Wheel. |
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The single and album versions of this were completely different recordings of the song, and are very different interpretations of it (the album version was re-issued as a single in the late 70s, probably an attempt by A&M to cash in on Rafferty's solo success). AFAIK, the 1973 single version has never been re-issued (and the promo single is the only source of it in stereo).
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Another tip about that Collectables two-fer of Gerry Rafferty solo albums. "City To City" is sourced from the DCC Gold CD mastering done by Steve Hoffman. Reason enough to buy this disc alone. Gerry's death was a very sad loss. "Star" was a favorite single.
Edited by KentT on 16 January 2011 at 11:24am
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KentT wrote:
| Another tip about that Collectables two-fer of Gerry Rafferty solo albums. "City To City" is sourced from the DCC Gold CD mastering done by Steve Hoffman. Reason enough to buy this disc alone. |
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Good info, KentT. I never knew this. I will say though that I've always been pretty impressed with the mastering on the EMI 46049 City to City CD release , which I think sounds excellent.
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Does anybody know if there was a 45 version of Home and Dry or perhaps a promo edit? Unable to find a shorter version on You Tube.
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Yes, indeed. The commercial 45 runs 3:56, and as far as I remember it's an edit of the LP version. I don't know offhand what was edited out, but I did create one years ago.
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KentT wrote:
| Another tip about that Collectables two-fer of Gerry Rafferty solo albums. "City To City" is sourced from the DCC Gold CD mastering done by Steve Hoffman. |
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I went one better than that, which got me kicked off the Steve Hoffman board for a while:
The DCC mastering uses the '80s-era EMI UK City To City CD as its source. It's not a digital clone, and it looks like the signal was fed through an analog mixing board. There are slightly EQ differences on two tracks, and all the others have basically the same EQ on the two discs. If anything, the '80s-era EMI UK disc should sound better than the DCC, because there is one fewer step in the signal chain.
I set up a whole thread on this here.
The Collectables two-fer and a later EMI two-fer are both digital clones of the original '80s-era EMI UK disc.
Needless to say, the people on the Steve Hoffman board were not pleased with me.
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aaronk wrote:
| Yes, indeed. The commercial 45 runs 3:56, and as far as I remember it's an edit of the LP version. I don't know offhand what was edited out, but I did create one years ago. |
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There's an edit in the intro, and an edit in the instrumental break (both are half as long on the single as they are on the LP), and then an early fade as well.
What's odd here is that while the single versions of "Baker Street" and "Right Down The Line" (the previous two 45s from City to City) are faster than the LP versions, the 45 of "Home And Dry" is actually slower.
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Thanks for the editing tips, Doug. Much appreciated.
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Very sad about Gerry's death. BTW out of solos, "Baker St." "High & Dry", and "Right down the line" (the only ones I've heard) and both "Stuck in the Middle.." &"Everybody's Agreed"..(both the completely different recordings, 45 and LP) are the ones I know and like best.
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Don't have many details yet but in early Dec. 2016 there is a scheduled CD release on Varese Sarabande that would include all of Gerry's 45 edits released on United Artists. One source has told me that their search even included looking for tapes outside of the US to get the best sources available for this upcoming release. The disc will also include Stealers Wheels material, but unfortunately just their one biggest chart hit. Stay tuned for more details coming soon.
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The updated release date for this new CD release by Varese Sarabande is Jan. 13, 2017. Here is the track listing:
1. Stuck In The Middle With You - Stealers Wheel
2. City To City
3. Baker Street (US single edit)
4. Big Change In The Weather (b-side only single)
5. Right Down the Line (US single edit)
6. Home And Dry (US single edit)
7. Night Owl (UK single edit)
8. Take The Money And Run
9. The Way That You Do It
10.Day’s Gone Down (Still Got The Light In Your Eyes) (US single edit)
11.Get It Right Next Time (US single edit)
12.Bring It All Home (UK single edit)
13.The Royal Mile (Sweet Darlin’)
14.In Transit (b-side only single)
15.Garden Of England
16.Sleepwalking
Looks promising. You can order direct from Varese Sarabande via their website or the usual online suspects (etailers).
Edited by Santi Paradoa on 01 December 2016 at 7:55pm
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Aww, man...
Couldn't Varese have stuffed on the stereo single version of Stealers Wheel's "Everyone's Agreed That Everything Will Turn Out Fine"??
I've been waiting for any country to put that out digitally from tape.
Does Joe Egan have the master stuffed under his bed? Does Mike Stoller have it in his archives? Does Herb Alpert have it stored at Iron Mountain...?
At least I have a clean dub of the stereo promo 45.
What a good record. Got a lot of current airplay on the TM 'Stereo Rock' format.
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Other note: The UK and European issues of "City To City" are correct speed. United Artists in the USA sped up side one of the USA LP of "City To City". Side 1 on the LP is quite long, and the UK/Europe LP is not automatic turntable friendly as the lead out grooves are close to the label area. My correctly adjusted Pioneer PL-530 has trouble playing the last track without issues.
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
Aww, man...
Couldn't Varese have stuffed on the stereo single version
of Stealers Wheel's "Everyone's Agreed That Everything
Will Turn Out Fine"??
I've been waiting for any country to put that out
digitally from tape.
Does Joe Egan have the master stuffed under his bed?
Does Mike Stoller have it in his archives? Does Herb
Alpert have it stored at Iron Mountain...?
At least I have a clean dub of the stereo promo 45.
What a good record. Got a lot of current airplay on the
TM 'Stereo Rock' format.
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I was unaware of this song since it wasn't played in NY
(that I know of) so I got a nice clean dub of the stock
45 but to my disappointment commercial copies were mono.
I failed to read that detail in the above posts.
Bummer.
You're right, Andrew, great record.
MM
Edited by MMathews on 25 December 2016 at 5:10pm
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I see Pat posted a review of the new Best Of CD release. Looks like they got all of the 45 edits correct. Kudos to Varese Sarabande.
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I got to hear four tracks from the new best-of. Sound quality is excellent on those tracks - great dynamic range, nice EQ, hissy fades, and no noise reduction. A wonderful surprise, considering how loud the 2-CD City To City was.
The two tracks from 1979's Night Owl, "Days Gone Down" and "Get It Right Next Time", seem to match my recreations pretty closely and are comparable in sound quality. There's some nice hiss on the fade, so it sounds like these are from the real 45 two-track mixdown tapes.
"Right Down The Line" sounds very good, and is from a tape source, but may have a speed error? (I don't have the 45 to compare.) On this CD, it runs at 132.7 BPM throughout (originally recorded with a drum machine, hence the constant tempo). I have a recreation by Aaron that runs 135.9 BPM throughout. Not sure which is correct, or if both are off.
"Home And Dry" is most certainly the 45 version, because it's taken from vinyl! It's a good needledrop, with no noise reduction and no truncation of the fade, but you can hear the turntable rumble on the fade. I have a recreation by Aaron that sounds significantly better than the version on this CD.
I've only heard these four tracks, but I like what I've heard. A worthy collection for Rafferty-philes.
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The 45 is sped up quite a bit compared to a lot of CD/LP copies. My
custom edit matches the 45 speed.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
| "Home And Dry" is most certainly the 45 version, because it's taken from vinyl! It's a good needledrop, with no noise reduction and no truncation of the fade, but you can hear the turntable rumble on the fade. I have a recreation by Aaron that sounds significantly better than the version on this CD. |
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Hmmm--that's a little disappointing.
I had tried to make my own edit for this one, but wasn't sure (and still am not sure) where the exact edits come in (I know the intro and the instrumental break should be half as long as the LP version, but where exactly the snips should be I can't tell). Not to mention that you have to slow the file down (which is a little ironic, given the two other "City To City" singles were faster).
Deferring to the rabbit ears experts here--can anyone solve this?
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I take it "Home and Dry" has unique elements in the mix (?) - because otherwise, it would be wiser to just edit the album version from master tape and do any speeding/slowing necessary to match the 45 speed.
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