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I agree with the concerns expressed. I placed my order two months ago and did notice that they billed before shipping. I don't care for that practice either. But keep in mind:
1) Self Control is now shipping.
2) It is available on Amazon.
3) These are limited to 1000 CDs so if you're going to wait until release date to order you better hope no more than 999 Laura Branigan fans opt to pre-order.
I don't wish to see anyone here get ripped off but I also would hate to see anyone here miss out on an opportunity to purchase a limited item with exclusive material because they didn't know about it.
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I've recently ordered several CD titles through Gold Legion's website, including Laura Branigan's Self Control disc, and fortunately my items were shipped in a timely manner. I received them within a week.
My advice to anyone considering purchasing CDs from Gold Legion's website is to make sure the titles you wish to buy are specifically listed as being "in stock". The problem evidently occurs when ordering a "pre-release" title directly from Gold Legion because these folks have a propensity to continually push back release dates. (The release date for Laura Branigan disc, for example, had been delayed numerous times.)
I'm sorry to hear about all the bad experiences by fellow chat board members and sincerely hope you get your CDs soon. I will say it's a very bad business practice on Gold Legion's part to be charging your credit card prior to shipping your items. Very bad.
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But when I ordered the 5 CDs in December, MOST said that they were in stock (at least back then), like Cheryl Ladd, which still hasn't been manufactured yet. I received the 2 truly in-stock items a couple months after ordering, the 3rd one ("Self Control") this week (after 6 months). I do think I'll get the Branigan I within a month or two, but I just have this fear that Gold Legion will go out of business before I receive the 5th one (C Ladd), which will make it harder to get a refund from them or my CC company.
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I have Atlantic blue label promo 45 (4048) with two versions:
Long Version Deadwax STA-40951-2 has a printed and actual time of 4:50. Additional deadwax printed "Mastered at Allen Zentz L.A., Calif."
Short Version Deadwax STA-41578-1 has a printed time of 3:41; 3:49 actual. Additional deadwax printed "Mastered at Allen Zentz L.A., Calif."
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The commercial 45 and the LP are both the 4:50 long version.
The promo 45 is the 3:49 short version. The short version can be edited down from the long version by removing the 56 beats from 2:59 to 3:24, removing the 64 beats from 3:53 to 4:23, and shortening the fade by about 7 seconds.
Long version
The Laura Branigan single-LP CDs are pretty hard to come by, and I don't have Branigan.
The first reasonably-priced disc to have the long version was Sandstone's Rock The First Vol. 3 (1992). Sound quality is good. The same analog transfer is used on Priority's Mega Hits Dance Classics Vol. 12 (1993), but it's too loud and clips a lot.
The version on Swaitek's 50-CD promo The A List Disc 11 (1994) sounds sorta close to Rock The First, and doesn't seem to have any noise reduction.
The 1995 Greatest Hits sounds quite close to Rock The First but the fade is shorter by a second or two. This makes me think that Rock The First uses the same analog transfer as Branigan, but I can't confirm.
Finally, Bill Inglot did a new analog transfer for Rhino's 7-CD Like Omigod (2002). It's a little too loud and clips quite a bit, but it seems to use lower-generation source tapes than all the earlier discs. The soundstage is better defined than the earlier discs - listen for placement of the hi-hat, which is crystal clear on Like Omigod, but is a little blurry on everything else.
Overall, I recommend Like Omigod for the long LP and commercial 45 version.
The tempo is 131.3 BPM throughout on all of the above discs - it's a live drummer playing to a click track.
Short version
The first place the short version appeared was on Warner Special Products' 2-CD Feel Good Rock (1989). Sound is good, but it's not the lowest-generation source tape. Tempo is 131.3 BPM throughout.
There is a trainload of compilations that all use the same analog transfer as Feel Good Rock:- Silver Eagle/Warner Special Products' 3-CD After Hours (1990; somehow plays too fast by about 0.5% - there are a few tracks on this collection that run too fast)
- Warner Special Products' 2-CD Ultimate Party Album (1992)
- Razor & Tie's 2-CD Totally '80s (1993)
- JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll 1980-1984 (1994)
Bill Inglot did a new analog transfer for Billboard Top Hits 1982 (1992), from lower-generation source tapes. It runs 131.2 BPM throughout. The same analog transfer is used for:- Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 5 1982 (1994; differently EQ'd digital clone)
- Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 38 Celebration (1994; kinda loud)
I recommend Billboard Top Hits 1982 for the short version.
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Oh, I forgot to mention that there a version running about
4:18 on EMI Australia's 5-CD Eighties Complete Vol.
1 (1997). Don't know what to make of this one.
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Gold Legion is now saying Sept 10th for the Branigan remaster with bonus tracks.
We...will...see.
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Shouldn't Gold Legion worry about the Cheryl Ladd CDs several of us were
charged for/promised many months ago, and still haven't got, before they
set dates for new Branigan releases? Gold Legion is still on my mega sh*t-
list, have ignored all my e-mails, and I still wish I had never heard of the
label. Sorry, Indy. My feelings are totally unchanged. The label is clearly
incompetent and unprofessional. I still highly recommend steering clear of
them.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
The promo 45 is the 3:49 short version. The short version can be edited down from the long version by removing the 56 beats from 2:59 to 3:24, removing the 64 beats from 3:53 to 4:23, and shortening the fade by about 7 seconds.
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Ron, are you sure about that? I would swear there's a rearranged verse in the short version.
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sriv94 wrote:
crapfromthepast wrote:
The promo 45 is the 3:49 short version. The short
version can be edited down from the long version by
removing the 56 beats from 2:59 to 3:24, removing the 64
beats from 3:53 to 4:23, and shortening the fade by about
7 seconds.
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Ron, are you sure about that? I would swear there's a
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Good ears!
There's a different vocal take used for the word
"callin'" at 1:17. The short version replaces the short
"callin'" from the long version with a long "calllllin'"
that's from a later verse.
Since you mentioned it, I do remember being able to tell
the two versions apart on the radio from that one
"callin'" line.
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Well it only took 1 &1/2 years but the Gold Legion CD is finally out with the
Gloria 12" as one of the bonus tracks. Runs 5:53
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crapfromthepast wrote:
The first reasonably-priced disc to have the long version
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I have this CD and just played it. I know it's Steve
Hoffman, but it sounds
full and lifeless to me.
All I have of the album/45 version is the one on her
Greatest Hits CD. and that Sandstone CD. It's sounds
quite good, but now i'm
very curious about the Omigod! version. I suppose if I
have the Billboard 1992 CD, I have a good idea of how it
sounds already./
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Like Omigod uses the long version, Billboard uses the short version, so they're from different source tapes.
My notes for Like Omigod say: "Loud but very clear and seems to be lower generation source tape than Rock The First and Greatest Hits."
I used Like Omigod for the long version in my own library.
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My only option is to find the Omigod! CD.
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I've added the LP intro onto the extended version if anyone wants to give it a listen:
GLORIA
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Very nice!
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Does anyone have the edit points to create the short version from the album
version? I've been trying to match the 45 but I can't quite get it perfect....i
know some parts are rearranged but it's difficult to figure out where they
are spliced....
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As Ron mentioned, there are at least 25 US CDs with the short version length in the database, so it's not really rare at all.
It also wasn't quite correct to say the vocal take is unique on that first "callin'". That "callin'" is just from a later point in the long version. It's certainly possible to make the edits yourself:
Starting with the Like, Omigod! mastering:
1. Make a copy of 1:31.8 to 2:59.5 and insert it at 3:25.1.
2. Remove what is now 1:06.2 to 3:25.1.
3. Remove what is now 3:28.7 to 3:43.3.
4. Remove what is now 3:50.26 to end.
5. Apply a smooth/sinusoidal fadeout from 3:40 to the end (3:50.26). (If doing this in Adobe Audition, use the smooth fadeout preset but with the 2nd anchor dot moved back to the halfway point.)
All edits are on the downbeat, except the end point; the fade goes to silence after the 3rd beat in the bar.
I used a rip of the promo 45 on YouTube as my guide.
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Thank you for the instructions. Much appreciated. Yes i have many cds with
the short version but i don't particularly like the way they sound. So i
wanted to recreate it with the version from the "platinum collection" cd.
Anyway, my issue came at the 1:31 mark because there was no part in the
song that quite matched the word "gloria" at that point. I came to the
conclusion that the edit/splice occurs between the "g" and the "l" in the
word "gloria"... that was the only way i got it to sound like the short version
but i didn't think that could be right... but maybe it is? Anyway i appreciate
the response!
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Yep, that vocal starting each verse begins a little before the downbeat each time, but the edits are on the beat. It all works out.
Tape splices of this type are normally made at a 45 degree angle, which creates a quick crossfade, smoothing out the sound so it's not so abruptly cutting from one segment to another. When you are doing the edit digitally, if you just join two sections without smoothing their boundary somehow, it might not quite sonically match the real edit.
In Adobe Audition you just need to make sure in the preferences you've got "smooth delete/cut boundaries with crossfades of __ ms" and "smooth all edit boundaries by crossfading __ ms" enabled. I do 2 and 5 ms, respectively and am happy with the results. In Audacity, I think the best you can do is select the area of the boundary and do a Repair operation.
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