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I notice most of the R&B songs are in mono.
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These stayed mono for a year or two due to jukeboxes in Black oriented establishments being hand me down machines which were older and many Black Stations often making do with older hand me down equipment not suitable for Stereo record playback on air.
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My stock copy on the Mums label of "It Never Rains in Southern California" by Albert Hammond is unquestionably in rechanneled stereo.
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Tim, thanks for the sharp-eyed catch on "It Never Rains In Southern California." I have four Mums 45s, all of which are rechanneled:
* Mums 6011 mono/stereo DJ 45, Terre Haute pressing ("stereo version" side rechanneled)
* Mums 6011 stock, Terre Haute pressing (two copies)
* Mums Golden Oldies 6251 reissue, Pitman pressing
Does anyone have a true stereo Mums 45?
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(duplicate post)
Edited by Yah Shure on 04 February 2014 at 8:30pm
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Tim and John, thanks to both of you for your "eagle ears!" I think this is one
of the first (E), but states stereo 45s that Todd and I have happened upon in
our 1968-1975 project travels. My non-expert ears likely thought it to be
narrow stereo, during my initial sweep.
Since Todd made all these posts, only he can modify this info. Which I have
no doubt he will do, next time he logs on!
Edited by jimct on 05 February 2014 at 3:57am
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Just heard Pat's copy of "It Never Rains" and it's true stereo, so my guess is that first pressings were fake stereo, and that was corrected on later pressings. I updated my "It Never Rain's" thread.
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Does anyone know if "Outa-Space" from Billy Preston is a
fold-down or is it a dedicated mono mix?
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John, I'm still not sure, although I've just researched it a bit for you.
Right away, one thing to be mindful of here is that "Outa-Space", which
peaked at #2 in July 1972, was *not* the original A side of A&M 1320. The
flip, "I Wrote A Simple Song" was. And "...Simple Song" peaked a full 5
months before "Outa-Space" did, at #77, in Feb. 1972. Original A&M 1320
promo copies had mono/stereo versions of "I Wrote A Simple Song" on it.
Once "...Simple Song" stiffed out, the label pressed up new A&M 1320
promo 45s, this time with "Outa-Space" as the A-side, and included it on
both sides. My promo 45 copy includes the mono version of "Outa-Space"
on both sides. And although no scan is included for it (and I've never seen
one), Discogs indicates that there were also A&M 1320 promo 45s
released in 1972 that included listed (4:08), mono/stereo versions for
"Outa-Space". The few promo 45 "Outa-Space" label scans I've just found
online all look exactly like my copy - mono on both sides.
Does anyone happen to own an A&M 1320 mono/stereo "Outa-Space"
promo 45? Guys like Aaron or Mark Mathews frequently do sound wave
analysis, to confirm/refute the existence of a dedicated mono mix.
Comparing the two sides would reveal the answer to John's question.
There is also another way. Take any mono 45 version of "Outa-Space",
promo or stock, and analyze/compare it to stereo CD versions of the
song. Hopefully, Mark might have access to an original stock copy.
Edited by jimct on 25 November 2014 at 10:33pm
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I did find a dub on YouTube (albeit one channel) from a
stock 45. Hard to tell about a dedicated mix there. But,
the 45 on YouTube actually ran 4:13, not 4:08.
Possible that the YouTube contributor's turntable was
slow, but there is no 45 run time listed in the db.
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Jim, I don't have a promo 45 of "Outa-Space" (my only A&M 1320 DJ 45 is the original mono/stereo "I Wrote A Simple Song") but I don't recall playing a "Space" DJ 45 at my college station that had a stereo side.
That's not to say one doesn't actually exist, in spite of the lack of photographic evidence in the Discogs entry (although I find such unsubstantiated entries to be unreliable.) The reason I say that is because the Discogs promo 45 listed for Billy's 1973 hit, "Will It Go Round In Circles" on A&M 1411 is a mono/stereo pairing, with photo. I have two different promos of A&M 1411, neither of which has a stereo side: 1) an initial mono/mono coupling of "Circles" and "Blackbird," with neither "mono" nor any "A" side label designation, and 2) a second promo with "Circles" on both sides in mono and stated as such on the label. Both of these - like the Discogs mono/stereo DJ 45 - are vinyl Monarch pressings.
Seems the folks at A&M weren't quite sure what to do with Billy's promo 45s there for awhile!
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Paging Todd Ireland! Here's one that needs to be updated: "You Don't Mess Around With Jim" by Jim Croce. Some pressings are mono, and some pressings are stereo.
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Yes, saw several different copies of the Jim Croce 45.
Some mono, some Stereo, original pressings.
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I've got a stock pressing of Al Green's "You Ought to Be with Me" that's in stereo. From what I can gather, it was pressed by PRC Recording Corp., Richmond, IN. Really appreciate the work that went into compiling these lists.
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my commercial 45 of alice cooper's song 'elected' issued as
warner 7631 sounds stereo to me and NOT mono as listed in
this thread.....can anyone else confirm my
findings?....this entry may need to be amended.
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Good pickup, Ed. I made the original mono report, and the entire first
verse sounded 100% stone mono to me. Perhaps I got
interrupted/distracted during my earlier listen (life happens), and didn't
make it all the way through listening to "Elected", however, as my policy
was always to listen *especially* carefully to the 45s, when my ear heard
mono, but the label noted either an "S" or "ST" in its deadwax notation
present (and it was "(QNY 0462)S)") here. Thanks to Ed's heads up here, I
just now re-pulled/re-checked my WB 7631 stock 45, and did clearly
hear, at the start of the second verse, a prominent rhythm keyboard or
guitar kick in, that is clearly in stereo.
I have just changed my stock 45's Post-It Note for "Elected" from mono to
stereo. FYI, my WB 7631 promo 45 for the song is mono/stereo - the
mono side's label deadwax is "(QNY0462)", while the stereo side is
identical to the stock 45's equivalent info I've already detailed up thread.
My apologies for the initial inaccurate report, and thanks again for your
helpful double check, Ed!
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my commercial 45 for the michael jackson song 'ben' issued
as motown 1207 sounds like its stereo to me and NOT mono as
listed in the thread...can anyone else pull out their stock
45 and give it a spin to confirm my findings......the run
out groove info is 'mizo7f - 61234 - 7a'
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another michael jackson 45 'rockin robin' issued as motown
1197 sounds clearly mono to me on my stock 45 while the db
states the 45 is in stereo...again, can someone pull out
their commercial 45 for this song to confirm my
findings....the run out groove info is 'M-1197F-60767-
1A'....
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Can't speak for the commercial 45 Ed but the dj copy features mono on one side and stereo on the other with the stereo matrix number M-1197F 607676-1A-S.
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Regarding Ed's two new stock 45 reports, assuming them both to be correct,
then this thread's 1972 db needs to be updated to "both mono and stereo" in
both instances.
I have just pulled/re-confirmed the accuracy of both of my original reports.
My "Ben" stock 45 is confirmed as mono, with handwritten deadwax info of
"M1207F-61234-7AM", while my "Rockin' Robin" stock 45 is confirmed as
stereo, with handwritten deadwax info of "M1197F-60767-.1 A.-S".
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