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Thanks for the confirmation regarding "Go All the Way", Tom!
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paul...my commercial 45 for the seals & croft song "we may
never pass this way again' issued as warner 7740 does not
state a mono or stereo note on the label but sounds like
mono to me....your list says it's stereo.....my run out
groove info is machine stamped 'QCA 3707 S-1C' ...can
anyone review their commercial 45 for verification?.....
Edited by edtop40 on 15 June 2013 at 9:22pm
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Ed:
I'll have to defer to Jim to double-check his Seals & Crofts' "We May Never Pass This Way (Again)" commercial 45 to confirm if it is indeed in stereo. Though given that the duo's two prior Top 40 singles from 1973 ("Hummingbird" and "Diamond Girl") were both issued on commercial 45 in stereo, I would be inclined to think at least some pressings of "We May Never Pass This Way (Again)" would've been in stereo as well. If you're not 100% certain whether yours is in mono, I'd be happy to take a listen to a dub of your 45 and report back with my analysis.
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Kudos to Ed for catching this one. My commercial 45 (same deadwax as his copy: QCA 3703 S-1C, a Columbia Terre Haute pressing) is also mono.
And so is my copy of the first Back To Back Hits GWB 0310 reissue 45 (deadwax QCA 3703S-1B, a Columbia Pitman pressing.
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There is a Stereo side on the promo 45. I own one, albeit
well worn.
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Guys, I just pulled out my commercial 45 and listened again - it is
absolutely in stereo. It is vinyl. My 45's deadwax is a handwritten "WB
7740 QCA-3707-S-1A", with the machine-stamped letters "TM TML"
at the end.
While I give both Ed's and John's "mono" reports full credibility, I can't say
that it makes much sense to me. As best I can recall, by 1971, WB was
issuing all of their commercial 45s in stereo. Usually, once a label set
policy on how their 45s were to be commercially released, it was etched in
stone. This song charted long after that transition had occurred, in
November of 1973.
My promo 45 isn't where it's supposed to be filed right now, but I seem to
recall that it was mono/stereo, and both sides featured a shorter, (3:50)
short radio edit. What confuses me here is that the commercial 45's
length is (4:15). If WB never intended to provide radio with the full version
of it, then why would they even bother to do a mono mix of it?
My only theory would be that perhaps WB's original intent *was* to have
the mono/stereo DJ 45 mimic the stock 45's length. Perhaps engineers
then began promo 45 prep work. Clearly, at some point, if that was the
plan, it was changed, and ultimately radio was sent the edit. Who knows,
maybe someone at WB mistakenly dubbed/sent out the "didn't-end-up-
being-used" mono (4:15) version to a pressing plant or two. How else
could mono stock 45 copies have happened?
My gut: Ed's and John's 45 copies got pressed up in mono, by accident, by
one specific plant, using machine stamped deadwax, that thought they
were producing exactly what all the other plants were. But they weren't.
(FYI, my other 1973 stock copy, also in stereo, and also having
handwritten deadwax (with 1-B, not 1-A, though.)
Todd, in the end, I guess we go with both mono and stereo for this one.
Thanks for the report, Ed/John - bizarre, interesting stuff!
Edited by jimct on 16 June 2013 at 6:54pm
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My stock and Back To Back Hits reissue were both mastered by Columbia, with machine-stamped deadwax numbers. My 3:50 DJ 45 (vinyl Columbia Santa Maria pressing) has hand-etched deadwax numbers and - like Jim's vinyl stock copy - was mastered by The Mastering Lab (TML). So we have two different firms doing the mastering for this 45: the record's presser and an independent west coast mastering house. Jim's "vinyl" notation points to the CSM plant for the stereo stocks, leaving at least CTH for the mono stock (can anyone with a WB 7740 stock Pitman pressing chime in?)
This wasn't the first Warner family 45 I bought that indicated it was stereo (designated by the "S" to the right of the label's printed parenthetical matrix number) but turned out to be mono; that would be 1972's "Marcella" by The Beach Boys (Brother/Reprise 1101.) The printed matrix is "(PCA3179)S", but the hand-etched matrix is "PCA-3179-1". Meanwhile the flip side ("Hold On Dear Brother") is in stereo. Interestingly, both sides of this Beach Boys 45 were mastered at Artisan, yet another independent mastering firm.
Similarly, "Jessica," the B-side of my (mono) stock "We May Never Pass This Way Again" is in true stereo.
There was another mono Warner stock 45 in 1973, although in that case, the labels on "Smoke On The Water" did not lead one to believe otherwise.
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Thanks everyone for the input. I've gone back and updated the list to show commercial 45 copies of "We May Never Pass This Way (Again)" were issued in both mono and stereo.
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paul....one more difference i may unearthed....my
commercial 45 for the dells song 'give your baby a standing
oviation' issued as cadet 5696 clearly lists the track as
'stereo' on the label with a listed run time of 3:52 but an
actual running time of 4:33 (thanks, john for providing the
correct track!!)......the thread says that this song is in
mono, but mine is stereo....can anyone else confirm my
findings?......
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Ed, I worked closely with Todd on these, since he's not a 45 collector. I just
pulled my commercial 45. As you point out, the 45 label states stereo. Also,
the Post-It note info stuck to my paper sleeve says that when I
timed/analyzed this 45, it was indeed also stereo "in the grooves". (Deadwax
info is "2779-2".) So it looks like either I said "mono" over the phone to
Todd in error, or Todd mis-heard me/made a transcription error at his end
back then. No matter. Nice catch. To me, all current evidence points to all
1973 stock 45s appearing in stereo, not mono. Hoping Todd can make the
correction, whenever he gets a minute.....
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jim....thanks for the confirmation...
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my commercial 45 for the ohio players song 'funky worm'
issued as westbound 214 does NOT state 'stereo' on the
label....it has not neither stereo or mono indicated but
sounds mono to me....the 1973 list of 45's says that the
label incorrectly lists stereo but is in mono, but my 45
is in contradiction to that.....it should be looked at
closer...
Ohio Players - "Funky Worm (mono - all 45 copies
incorrectly state "stereo" on the label)
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Ed, at best, this appears to be a minor "word tweak" to me. Most
importantly, all "Funky Worm" 45s are in mono. In '72 and '73, Westbound
was the #1 label offender for stating "stereo" on db 45s that were, in fact,
mono. (The Detroit Emeralds quickly come to mind.)
I would suspect that either, 1) Someone at Westbound finally realized that
this repeated "stating stereo" 45 error was happening for their mono
singles, and modified later "Funky Worm" label batches, or, much more
likely, 2) More than one pressing plant was used for this song (which
would not be surprising, given that this was a rare, million selling single
for them), and that this plant, realizing the 45 master they got was
actually in mono, likely omitted the word "stereo" while prepping the
labels they would affix to their 45s.
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my commercial 45 for the stylistics song 'break up to make
up' sounds like it's in mono, contrary to what the thread
says.....the run out groove info from 45 is 'AVCO-1596M-4
(with a circle around it) then 'F/W'....then '3703' in
reverse....can someone else check their vinyl 45 to see if
their's is mono or stereo...thx
Edited by edtop40 on 28 November 2014 at 1:29pm
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I've got a commercial stereo 45 of The Partridge Family's "Looking Through The Eyes Of Love'. Not a promo or reissue. The dead wax info reads, B-1547-S-2. I've got many Bell 45s and, so far as I know, this is the only one in stereo.
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On the 1973 list it says
Dells, The - "Give Your Baby a Standing Ovation" (mono)
However, The Dells song was released in the USA in stereo:
https://www.discogs.com/The-Dells-Give-Your-Baby-A-Standing- Ovation/master/553114
Might want to update the listing....
Edited by PopArchivist on 18 December 2019 at 3:35pm
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Gunhill Road's "Back When My Hair Is Short" is a totally
rewritten/remade song, cleaned up,from two raunchier
earlier LP versions (like both Stealers Wheel songs,
"Stuck in the Middle with You" &,es[pecially,
"Everyon'ds Agreed"..), though GR's song takes the cake,
given the rewritten,cleaned up lyrics..,
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Anyone can tell me whether the promo 45 is in mono or stereo for Bloodstone's Natural High? The 45 according to the list is in mono but its unclear if the 45 promo is...
https://www.discogs.com/release/10034374-Bloodstone-Natural- High
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It appears that First Choice Armed and Extremely Dangerous is also available in Stereo for 1973.
https://www.discogs.com/release/17462344-First-Choice-Armed- And-Extremely-Dangerous
https://www.discogs.com/release/982814-First-Choice-Armed-An d-Extremely-Dangerous
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I have it in stereo on two CDs and on a 1973 K-Tel comp.
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