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Posted: 27 December 2012 at 5:33am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney
Santi Paradoa wrote:
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So that upcoming Cashbox book will include the songs that also
charted on the BB chart?


Yes, it will include EVERYTHING that charted on the Cash Box Top 100 charts. We're doing all of the week-by-week research from scratch, as the previously published books had lots of mistakes. We have some great internal programs for proofing, so we'll be sure to get all the chart numbers correct.
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Posted: 28 December 2012 at 7:29am | IP Logged Quote Ringmaster_D
Thanks Paul, that's great news. Did Cashbox have a bubbling under chart like Record World? If so, is that in the plans too?
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Posted: 28 December 2012 at 8:11am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney
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Thanks Paul, that's great news. Did Cashbox have a bubbling under chart like Record World? If so, is that in the plans too?


Yes, they did have a "bubbling under" chart. We'd love to include that info, just not sure if we'll have enough time to research everything. Stay tuned...
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Posted: 04 January 2013 at 6:47pm | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite
I recently spent some time going through the peak positions of songs in Cashbox, Record World, R&R and Billboard, comparing #s, etc. And a few Cashbox #s seem off. People have commented that not every peak # in the book is accurate, so I just thought I'd ask - are these the Cashbox peak positions for the following songs:

Saving All My Love For You/Whitney #10

I'll Get By/Eddie Money #6

Nothin' To Hide/Poco - didn't even make the top 100 (it peaked in the 30's in Billboard)

Everything/Jody Watley #36 (it peaked at #4 and #5 in Billboard & RW)
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Posted: 04 January 2013 at 8:24pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
EdisonLite wrote:
I recently spent some time going
through the peak positions of songs in Cashbox, Record
World, R&R and Billboard, comparing #s, etc. And a few
Cashbox #s seem off. People have commented that not every
peak # in the book is accurate, so I just thought I'd ask
- are these the Cashbox peak positions for the following
songs:

Saving All My Love For You/Whitney #10

I'll Get By/Eddie Money #6

Nothin' To Hide/Poco - didn't even make the top 100 (it
peaked in the 30's in Billboard)

Everything/Jody Watley #36 (it peaked at #4 and #5 in
Billboard & RW)


Saving All My Love was #5 for three weeks:

http://cashboxmagazine.com/archives/80s_files/198
51012.html

(The word wrapping is not working properly on the html
coding, at least not in Safari, so I had to omit the
direct links. You'll have to cut and paste the links.)

I'll Get By was indeed #6:

http://cashboxmagazine.com/archives/90s_files/199
20307.html

True that "Nothing to Hide" did not chart (unless there's
a mistake in Randy Price's chart transcription.

Not true about "Everything" -- it was #5 for two weeks:

http://cashboxmagazine.com/archives/90s_files/199
00127.html

Edited by Brian W. on 04 January 2013 at 8:27pm
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Posted: 05 January 2013 at 6:00am | IP Logged Quote JMD1961
"Everything" by Jody Watley had a real interesting chart run in Cash Box. (I found this when doing a week-by-week comparison between the three major charts in 1989.

On December 2nd, the track went to #36 (the peak point listed in the book), then fell over the next few weeks. (#45, #49, #59, #69). After the magazine's annual two week frozen period, the song leaped back up to #10 on the January 20th chart.

Reason? You've got me.
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Posted: 06 January 2013 at 12:00pm | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite
Thanks for all the info and trivia. Interesting run with "Everything". Did it have an up-down-up-down movement in the other pop charts?

As for "Nothin' To Hide", that's the only top 40 Billboard hit I noticed that isn't in the top 100 at all in Cashbox (at least in terms of the years/weeks Cashbox had a top 100). There may be others I suppose. I'd occasionally notice, for instance, a #67 Billboard pop hit not in Cashbox at all, and even those occasions weren't all that frequent. (I'd often see a lower charter in both charts, but low). But a #39 Billboard hit (the Poco one) not charting at all elsewhere is interesting. Still, I remember hearing that one on pop radio.

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Posted: 06 January 2013 at 1:46pm | IP Logged Quote JMD1961
Cashbox's reputation in the late '80s and '90s was less than favorable. It was known for bought chart positions.

My personal opinion was that Watley's people didn't "pay up", and the song plunged until it got too popular to ignore. And no, it didn't drop and come back up in either Billboard or R&R. On both, it had a normal chart run.
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Posted: 07 January 2013 at 5:05pm | IP Logged Quote mstgator
JMD1961 wrote:
Cashbox's reputation in the late '80s and '90s was less
than favorable. It was known for bought chart positions.


My favorite anomaly is a song by Wayne Newton (!) which interrupted the #1
run of Whitney Houston's "I Will Always Love You" on the Cashbox pop chart
in 1992, despite never appearing on any other trade's charts (pop or AC).

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Posted: 07 January 2013 at 11:23pm | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite
You gotta wonder how much someone at Cashbox received for putting a non top 100 hit all the way up at #1!
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Posted: 07 January 2013 at 11:47pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
And let's not forget their country charts director was assassinated for refusing to fix a song's chart position.
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Posted: 08 January 2013 at 4:33am | IP Logged Quote Bill Cahill
On some of the higher charting discrepencies you should include a column as to how many full page ads were placed in Cashbox promoting the song.. especially in the 80's.

Just sayin'..
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Posted: 08 January 2013 at 12:24pm | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite
I never heard that about Cashbox's country charts director. Is that true?
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Posted: 08 January 2013 at 2:48pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
From a CMT article:

Quote:
A Las Vegas resident has been convicted in the 1989 slaying of
a music researcher for the now-defunct Cash Box magazine. Richard
D'Antonio, 56, was sentenced to life in prison after a jury found him
guilty of first-degree murder in the shooting death of 23-year-old Kevin
Hughes. A jury also found D’Antonio guilty of assault with intent to
commit second-degree murder for shooting Hughes’ friend, singer
Sammy Sadler, while they were outside a recording studio on
Nashville’s Music Row. D'Antonio had worked with Chuck Dixon, a
record promoter and former Cash Box employee who died in 2001.
According to testimony, Dixon was upset that Hughes was attempting
to stop a scheme that called for record promoters and artists to pay
Dixon for positioning on the Cash Box chart. During the trial that ended
Thursday (Sept. 25), witnesses testified that D'Antonio had collected
bribes as high as $2,000 to ensure that a single charted. Trade
publications now use electronic monitoring of radio station airplay to
compile singles charts. 09/26/03


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Posted: 08 January 2013 at 10:51pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
EdisonLite wrote:
You gotta wonder how much someone at Cashbox received for putting a non top 100 hit all the way up at #1!

Well, I guess we have some idea now:

aaronk wrote:
Dixon was upset that Hughes was attempting to stop a scheme that called for record promoters and artists to pay Dixon for positioning on the Cash Box chart. During the trial that ended Thursday (Sept. 25), witnesses testified that D'Antonio had collected bribes as high as $2,000 to ensure that a single charted.


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Posted: 07 March 2013 at 3:43pm | IP Logged Quote torcan
aaronk wrote:
Dixon was upset that Hughes was attempting to stop a scheme that called for record promoters and artists to pay Dixon for positioning on the Cash Box chart. During the trial that ended Thursday (Sept. 25), witnesses testified that D'Antonio had collected bribes as high as $2,000 to ensure that a single charted.


I don't think the problem was just confined to Cashbox. I've heard allegations that Billboard's long-time chart director Bill Wardlow took bribes of up to $5000 if you wanted a bullet, and that the president of Casablanca records could dictate where some of his company's albums appeared on the chart. If you look at the Hot 100 and top LP charts from the later '70s into the earlier '80s, there are some awfully weird things that went on. Part of it was due to the stupid chart rules where a record had to "lose its star" before it could fall. This lead to many log-jams on all the charts and you really wonder of the accuracy.

I can't wait for that Cashbox book!
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I don't think the problem was just confined to Cashbox. I've heard allegations that Billboard's long-time chart director Bill Wardlow took bribes of up to $5000 if you wanted a bullet, and that the president of Casablanca records could dictate where some of his company's albums appeared on the chart.

Yep. From an Orlando Sentinal article about Larry Harris's book about his tenure at Casablanca Records:

"Harris himself was engaging in the bald-faced bribery of Bill Wardlow, the guardian of the all-important Billboard charts, to inflate Casablanca’s rankings – a task made considerably easier by Wardlow’s utter corruption and yearning to be near the spotlight of the disco acts like Donna Summer and the Village People who, along with KISS, formed the foundation of the label’s undeniable, if self-inflated, success."

http://www2.orlandoweekly.com/news/story.asp?id=13512
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Posted: 08 March 2013 at 6:03am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney
As our research of the Cash Box charts continues, we are finding more and more mistakes in the previously published books. This research is a huge undertaking, but we still hope to have a finished book out sometime later this year. Stay tuned...
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Posted: 12 August 2013 at 1:21pm | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney
I just finished up the week-by-week research on "Everything" by Jody Watley. That WAS a weird chart run!
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Paul Haney wrote:
As our research of the Cash Box charts continues, we are finding more and more mistakes in the previously published books. This research is a huge undertaking, but we still hope to have a finished book out sometime later this year. Stay tuned...


Hopefully you guys have Randy Price helping out with that book....

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