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It's been a LONG time since I've heard the Varese CD, and I do not own that disc, unfortunately. At one point several years ago, I obtained a dub of the Keep On Dancing compilation, and I did a comparison of the two. At that time, my ears were detecting a slight amount of vinyl rumble on the Varese comp and a few minor ticks here and there. Overall, the mastering engineer did a really nice job of cleaning it up. I had to listen very carefully on headphones to pick up on it. In the end, though, the Keep On Dancing version replaced the dub from the Varese disc, and I no longer have the file.
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And then did the Disky version replace your "Keep on Dancing" version as the file you went with? Was the Disky version "edit-able" down to the US version (or was it missing the "Venus/Sugar Sugar" part at the beginning, like others)?
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The Disky version can be edited very easily to recreate the US 45 version. You just lop off everything before the opening downbeat of "Venus", and you're good to go. The fade on the Disky version starts and ends at the same points as the US 45.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 07 January 2014 at 9:18pm
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crapfromthepast wrote:
The Disky version can be edited
very easily to recreate the
US 45 version. You just lop off everything before the
opening downbeat of "Venus", and you're good to go. The
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Exactly. To be excruciatingly correct, make the intro
edit .06 seconds before the opening downbeat of "Venus"
and you'll have an exact replica of the U.S. 45.
The only issue with the Disky version is that it sounds
like it's from at least one generation higher source than
the Keep on Dancing CD. Most likely it uses the U.K. 45
tape which was probably a generation or two removed from
the Dutch master tape.
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Hmm, I am listening to the 2002 Disky version, and it's not as hissy as
the Keep On Dancin cd. At least to my ears, I think the Disky copy is
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HOLD UP! I stand corrected. Jeff just forwarded me a copy from his Varese CD. It is not from vinyl, and in fact, THIS is the copy that I used to replace my other one. My original source was a TM Century GoldDisc, and THAT is the one that I could detect vinyl noise (no surprise). Both the Varese and Keep On Dancin' CDs sound like tape source, although the Varese copy sounds like a lower generation tape.
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I have both the Varese and Keep On Dancing discs and I went
with the Varese version for my iPod. I do not have that
Disky disc in my collection. This is one of those chart
toppers that seldom showed up on a domestic CD release in
the past (probably because it's a Dutch master that no one
can get their hands on).
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Got to hear the Varese CD version. It does indeed sound like it's from a tape source, comparable with the Disky tape source.
The mastering on the Varese is pretty aggressive, though, with a lot of compression/limiting. Plus, the fade starts and ends about a second earlier than the Disky version.
In a side-by-side comparison, I preferred the Disky version. It uses source tapes comparable with the Varese disc, but with much more dynamic range than the Varese disc.
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Sorry to bump this old thread, but I was playing side 2 of the Stars on Long Play LP. Between the "SOS Band" segment and "Video Killed ..." segment, there are four bars f REALLY cool disco music, that sound familiar, but are not identified on the LP cover. Any takers for this one?
EDIT: Actually looked it up on YouTube. Here's the link. Listen between 3:11 and 3:28.
Stors on Long Play Side 2
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I seem to remember that passage as belonging to one of the Stars On 45 B-sides, although I can't remember which one. I can check tonight.
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Oh darn, I once knew the name of that song from a tracklist posted on Youtube...but I forgot. I have it too, somewhere.
As you likely know Stars on 45 was a studio cover of a bootleg DJ medley that got huge in clubs.
There are many posts on Youtube but I can't find the one where they listed each record in order.
The actual song you're looking for is at 5:30 in this video of the original medley:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sICpjrSVFY
The name of the medley here is "Let's Do It In The 80s" but it's been booted with other titles too.
This was the medley Jaap Eggermont heard and decided to make a studio group cover and release as a legit thing. I doubt he ever dreamed it would be such a hit.
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I asked Siri, and she correctly identified it as "Handsome Man" by Sparkle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W69G18XXaDU
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Aaron, Siri and [insert third character] are the "New Trinity". Thank you so much Aaron.
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Nice work, guys! That song is new to me, too.
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Yes thanks Aaron!
That was gonna drive me nuts. I had the info once then
lost it.
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OK, I'm kind of curious. What's the difference between the UK LP version and the US LP version?
(There's a 10 second difference between the two.)
I can only get the UK version via iTunes (but I'd have to buy the whole damned album due to the (15:51)
running time), but there's also a nice-sounding version on YouTube as well.
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In the UK version, at about 13:58, "From Me To You" is a 32-beat section between "Please Please Me" and "I Want To Hold Your Hand".
In the US version, at about 13:58, "From Me To You" is deleted, and the track goes from "Please Please Me" directly to "I Want To Hold Your Hand".
I seem to remember that there was an issue with the rights in the US. Something along the lines of a non-Beatle person retaining the rights to just "From Me To You" (and none of the other Beatles tracks), because the non-Beatle person really liked that song? Perhaps someone has a better memory than I do can fill in the details.
The US LP has a fade that extends about 8-10 beats longer than what's on the Disky CD. It's just looped at that point, and not terribly significant.
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Now Medley II, the single that was adapted from the
second half of the Beatles medley on Side 1 of the LP,
DOES have "From Me to You" in that spot. This is at
least the case here in Canada. I only ever heard the
Medley II single broadcast once on an American station in
Buffalo, NY (WBUF) and there were no omissions that I
recall. But I don't know if the US issued promo and
single had the song included.
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Jody - Great observation!
I checked my dub of the US 45 of "Medley II", and it does indeed have the "From Me To You" segment, just like the UK album.
I found an online article from 2012 that discusses the publishing stuff:
"The US publishing rights for six of The Beatles’ early songs have changed hands for the first time since the 1960s.
Round Hill Music and Adage Classics have bought a portfolio of copyrights that includes the songs ‘She Loves You’, ‘From Me To You’, ‘I Saw Her Standing There’, ‘Misery’, ‘There’s A Place’ and ‘I Wanna Be Your Man’.
Round Hill Music, a year-old start up, bought the catalogue with Adage Classics, an intellectual property rights group, for the GIL Music and GPS Music catalogues. Although the terms of the deal have not been disclosed, the songs are believed to be worth up to $10 million.
The sale allows Round Hill and Adage to collect songwriting royalties and licensing income for the songs. The rights are restricted to the United States and Canada.
New York song promoter George Pincus originally acquired the US and Canadian rights to the songs, written by John Lennon and Paul McCartney, after seeing The Beatles perform in England in 1963. In 1964 Pincus attempted to sell the rights for £200, but they remained under family ownership."
Edited by crapfromthepast on 20 June 2022 at 1:52pm
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While we are on Stars on 45, can anyone confirm the UK 1981 45 medley runs 4:48? I think they call it the original 45 on Qobuz. I am aware that the Stars on 45 Medley here in the US runs 4:05.
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