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Let me add an example to show you why I'm confused:
For Machine Gun Kelly's "Tickets To My Downfall"
The Billboard chart shows the label as Bad Boy,
EST19XX
Amazon lists the label as Interscope
iTunes lists the label as Bad Boy/Interscope
Barnes and Nobles lists the label and number as
Interscope 003243803
allmusic lists the label and number as Bad
Boy/Interscope/Polydor 0736906
Discogs lists the labels and number as B0032788-02 on
either Bad Boy, Interscope or EST19XX
The back cover of the actual CD lists the label as Bad
Boy/Interscope
The label number on the CD is B003278802
You show the label and number as EST19XX 032438.
Generally I would go with "In Whitburn We Trust"
however there seem to be other options worth
considering.
Bad Boy/Interscope 032788 would be my
choice (going with the CD) but I'm not the expert
here.
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Yes, the labels and numbers are confusing! I made the best attempt that I could on tracking those down. I used a number
of different sources, including most of those posted above. We seriously considered leaving the numbers out for that very
reason, but decided to go with what we thought was correct. I certainly have no problem in making corrections where they
may be needed. Not sure how many people even care about that info (especially nowadays when most people obtain things
digitally), but we tried our best under a tight deadline!
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Paul Haney
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I should also note that even the Billboard chart department has been struggling in recent years with these
issues. That's one reason why they no longer show such info on their charts. They even have a hard time coming
to a consensus on some song titles and artist billings! Not like the old days when we could just look at one
physical configuration (single and/or album).
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Paul Haney wrote:
I should also note that even the
Billboard chart department has been struggling in
recent years with these
issues. That's one reason why they no longer show
such info on their charts. They even have a hard time
coming
to a consensus on some song titles and artist
billings! Not like the old days when we could just
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It's like most songs have three different labels
listed - everyone wants a piece of the action. Have
noticed that Billboard often switches up the labels
listed on their charts through a songs run. Have you
looked at the number of songwriters listed. Some
spanish songs have 10 writers each with four names in
their individual names.
Another issue is that an artist will release a deluxe
or special edition of a popular CD that includes only
a new song or two but has a different label number.
Suppose that new song makes the rock chart. Are you
going to list a different label number for the same CD
just for that new song?
A problem that is pronounced in the alternative world
is the releasing of a digital only song which then
becomes popular. So they release an EP, then a year
later a full fledge album that contains the song. Case
in point, "Broken" by lovelytheband was first released
as a single in April 2017. Started getting some
airplay so they released an EP (Everything I Could
Never Say) in September 2017, Became a big hit so they
released the album "Finding It Hard To Smile" in
August 2018. You listed that last album in your book,
however while it's true the song is on the album, the
album wasn't available when most were listening to the
song. There are many other examples of this situation
occurring. Reminds me of the situation where they
would release a 45 of a song not available on an album
so you had to buy the 45. Then a few months later, an
album came out that contained the song. Weren't the
Beatles famous for releasing 45 only songs?
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Yes, there are numerous issues with physical product these days. This entire project was done in just a few months and I
just couldn't spend hours looking up a single album (I probably spent too much time cross-checking some as it was). Maybe
we should've just left the numbers out, but I thought it was important to show them and at least give our readers a place to
start if they did want to track down the physical product. Again, not sure if it was worth the effort I did put in as most
people just download the songs anyway.
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I think it is a good idea to include and your right it is at least a place to
start. Most do download but suppose the download of the album isn’t
available? Or downloading isn’t an option. I think it’s always worth the
effort. Looking forward to my copy when it arrives (don’t live in the US
so international post awaits)
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