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Posted: 26 May 2006 at 1:53pm | IP Logged Quote Grant
The commercial 45 is the same as the radio promo.
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Posted: 22 June 2006 at 3:20pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
Gordon, I get the impression from all the posts that there's only one 2:58 version, and it's a remix, whether on the LP or the 45. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Thanks Brian.
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Posted: 26 April 2008 at 6:26pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg
I just listened to a vinyl dub of "Chevy Van" from a commercial 45. After hearing my Rhino Super Hits Of The Seventies version for so many years, I figured that was the hit version. Apparently not!

The 45 dub I heard tones down the guitar as mentioned before, and to me, sounds rather bland.

I've never heard the vinyl LP version.
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Posted: 26 April 2008 at 10:33pm | IP Logged Quote Yah Shure
jimct wrote:
Pat Downey wrote:
Now perhaps later pressings of the LP substituted the 45 mix and the shorter version - that I do not know. Can anyone that has the short version (2:58) on the "Sammy Johns" LP fill us in on the mix on that short version being equal to the mix on the 45?
Pat, I can confirm that the guitar levels, and all else for that matter, are exactly the same on my stock 45 as they are on my (2:58) stock LP version.


Pat, I think you're right about the different pressings. The 1973 Sammy Johns LP was already rather long in the tooth by the time "Chevy Van" was pulled as its third single. My stock copy of the LP is an early pressing on the old plain yellow label, and includes the long version of "Chevy Van" listed as 3:52 on both the cover and label. And it was the long version that got significant top-40 airplay here in Minneapolis-St. Paul. By the time "Chevy Van" hit, the GRC label design had changed on the 45s (the album's first single, "America" - later covered by Waylon Jennings - bore a label logo similar to the LP label below.) Does anyone who has the LP with the short 2:58 "Chevy Van" have it with this style label?






And to add even more confusion to the "Chevy Van" puzzle, the song was reissued by Warners in 1977. DJ copies have no A-side indication for either "Chevy Van" or "Music Of The Band," which, unlike "Van," is not shown as being on Warner LP 3063. This 1977 reissue did not chart.



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Posted: 27 April 2008 at 6:29am | IP Logged Quote bwolfe
Didn't know of a longer LP version.
I'll check my 45 too to hear the difference.
Looking at the label of the LP reminds me that "Early Morning Love" got airplay in Johnstown, PA.

The yellow label reminded me of a GRC release that also received airplay in Jtown.
"I'm A Yo Yo Man" by Rick Chuna.
That's in the backstacks somewhere.

Thanks again for the great info.

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Posted: 27 April 2008 at 6:35am | IP Logged Quote eriejwg
Interesting that a 45 as late as 1977 would say "compatible stereo."
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Posted: 27 April 2008 at 8:36am | IP Logged Quote Yah Shure
John, I seem to recall seeing "compatible stereo" moreso on the Warner/Curb 45s than the non-Curb Warner labels. My promo copy of "You Light Up My Life" also says "compatible stereo."

I checked my stash of Exile's "Kiss You All Over" 45s from 1978 and discovered that the first promo pressings by Capitol on the palm trees label simply said "stereo" on the 4:54 side and "mono" on the 3:30. A 3:30 stock copy on the palm trees label pressed by MCA had no stereo mention at all.

But the Capitol-pressed promo copies on the new tan label had "compatible stereo" on both the 3:30 and 4:54 sides.
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Posted: 27 April 2008 at 8:44am | IP Logged Quote PaulEschen
The Warner Brothers 45 comes from the LP Sammy Johns Sings "The
Van"/Original Motion Picture Soundtrack (WB 3063). The version on the
LP is the same as the GRC 45. The movie came out in 1977, and featured
Danny DeVito in a supporting role. It's also apparently available on DVD.
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Posted: 27 April 2008 at 9:08am | IP Logged Quote eriejwg
Then, the 'true' 45 version has not appeared on CD, correct?
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Posted: 27 April 2008 at 9:39am | IP Logged Quote Yah Shure
Paul, thanks for the additional info.
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Posted: 27 April 2008 at 9:26pm | IP Logged Quote AndrewChouffi
Actually, 'eriejwg', the true 45 version exists on Rhino's Super Hits Of the 70s vol. 14.

The reason why it doesn't SOUND like the 45 is there is undecoded dolby artifacts in the transfer!

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Posted: 27 April 2008 at 10:19pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
AndrewChouffi wrote:
Actually, 'eriejwg', the true 45 version exists on Rhino's Super Hits Of the 70s vol. 14.

The reason why it doesn't SOUND like the 45 is there is undecoded dolby artifacts in the transfer!

Andy


Interesting info, Andy. How do you know this?
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Posted: 27 April 2008 at 11:09pm | IP Logged Quote AndrewChouffi
To Brian W,

The Rhino dub is pretty much the same length (and the same mix of instruments/background harmony vocals) as the Milan Bogdan single mix but there is a strange compression of the upper mid & high frequencies which gives it a different *texture* than the 45.

This is exactly the sound one can get when a Dolby A (or even the consumer Dolby B to a lesser extent) encoded dub-of-master gets played back on a different machine, improperly calibrated (decoded LESS aggresively).

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Andy, when I play a Dolby-B encoded tape back, but without the dolby on, it sounds, for lack of a better word, hissy. I always felt "Chevy Van" on the Rhino CD sounded very hissy. So are you saying that Rhino used a Dolby-encoded master tape but played it back with no dolby selected? or perhaps less dolby?
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Posted: 28 April 2008 at 6:44am | IP Logged Quote AndrewChouffi
Hi EdisonLite,

I'm saying what my ears hear (and my ears usually don't lie!).

I'm not specifically blaming Rhino, because it could be a third-generation tape -- but somewhere along the line someone received a dub-of-master (probably encoded with Dolby A) and either 1: didn't decode it 2: didn't decode it properly (calibration was way off; decoding was not aggressive enough, leaving in artifacts such as hiss, higher perceived reverb levels, upper-midrange density).

Andy

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Posted: 28 April 2008 at 8:40am | IP Logged Quote abagon
The actual running time (2:53),the arrangement,the terminal lyric "van" at 2:53 and the speed of my stock 45 (GRC-2046) is the same as the "Chevy Van" track on the "Rhino Super Hits Of The 70's Volume 14".However there is the tone quality differnce together.

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I can buy the Dolby theory. All I have to do is stick with the vinyl dub for the true sound.

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Posted: 29 April 2008 at 2:32am | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
So do all CDs have this Dolby encoding problem, or just the Rhino CD?
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Posted: 29 April 2008 at 10:10am | IP Logged Quote jrjr
the teenage hijinks movie "The Van" was released in 1977, the story loosely based on "Chevy Van"... could this be the reason for the Warner's re-release, a la "ode to billie joe"???
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