| Author |
|
Hykker
MusicFan
Joined: 30 October 2007
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1386
|
| Posted: 04 June 2022 at 6:25am | IP Logged
|
|
|
YMMV, but here's how I do it with similar situations...
Scanner wrote:
Alphabetize by group name or artist's last name?
* Kenny Rogers And The First Edition
* Alison Krauss And Union Station
* Bob Seger And The Silver Bullet Band
* Bruce Hornsby And The Range
* Gloria Estefan And Miami Sound Machine |
|
|
In all of the above cases, I use the leader's name for filing. In most, if not all cases there were songs
credited to the lead artist alone, and not
including the backup band. The first example is a bit tricky since KR didn't get mentioned in their first few
singles, but like the Union Gap/Gary Puckett & The Union Gap, I'd use the leader's name, not the band.
Artists well known both with and without the leader's name I'd go with the group name...Supremes vs Diana Ross
& Supremes (especially since the group continued to chart after DR left). Ditto with the Miracles.
Quote:
How to alphabetize when the artist's name is the group's name?
* Zac Brown Band
* The Band Perry |
|
|
In both cases I'd file them under "B".
Quote:
How to group all songs together by an artist or group
when the name changes?
* The Dixie Chicks --> The Chicks
* Lady Antebellum --> Lady A
* Nitty Gritty Dirt Band --> The Dirt Band
* Wynonna Judd --> Wynonna |
|
|
This gets trickier. I'm not sure any of Wynonna's solo releases used her last name. Lady Antebellum/A would
be filed under "L", so no real difference. I'd file Dixie Chicks under "D" since that's what they called themselves on all their
hits. Dirt Band, uhh, not sure on that one.
Quote:
How to alphabetize abbreviations?
* Dr. Hook - Dr or Doctor
* Mr. Mister - Mr or Mister
|
|
|
Contrary to what we were taught in junior high English class, I'd file it by the way it's spelled.
At least this is what works for me, I guess what matters is consistency within your own collection.
Edited by Hykker on 04 June 2022 at 6:31am
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Hykker
MusicFan
Joined: 30 October 2007
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1386
|
| Posted: 05 June 2022 at 4:48am | IP Logged
|
|
|
One question that just hit me...how does everyone deal with artists who've changed their stage name over time. One that immediately comes to mind
was Puff Daddy/P. Diddy/Diddy (and maybe another one I missed)? I guess technically Prince would qualify, but where I worked we never stopped
referring to him as Prince, nor as I suspect did much of anyone else other than his label.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Scanner
MusicFan
Joined: 14 August 2019
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 214
|
| Posted: 05 June 2022 at 2:30pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
When an artist changes his/her/their name, I categorize
them by the identity used on most of the tracks in my
music collection. Lady A may want us to forget they were
once Lady Antebellum, but their greatest success came
with their full name and that is how I still classify
them. Although Wynonna's vinyl singles from her first
and second solo albums were credited to Wynonna Judd,
practically everything else from those and subsequent
albums were credited to just Wynonna. (The spine of her
her first CD, "Wynonna," says Wynonna Judd.) So, Wynonna
it is to me.
For groups, I classify them by the group name if the
credited lead singer is not the only lead singer (First
Edition) or if the group existed before and/or after the
credited lead singer was in the group (Supremes). If the
group (The Range, Union Station) is essentially a
credited backup band for the lead artist, I will
alphabetize by the artist (Hornsby, Krauss). I don't
ever recall seeing music released by just The Range or
Union Station...although the individual members of Union
Station such as Dan Tyminski have done solo work just as
Alison Krauss has done.
Some groups are more difficult to generalize. Miami
Sound Machine existed before Gloria Estefan joined. Yet,
I recall reading how Estefan's name was added to the "Let
It Loose" credits and Miami Sound Machine jettisoned from
the "Cuts Both Ways" credits for branding purposes which
makes me classify all MSM songs under Estefan.
Should an artist that is a regular member of a duo/group
receive credit when his/her name is included in the
artist's credits of a song? "Betcha By Golly, Wow" is by
The Stylistics Featuring Russell Tompkins, Jr. "Careless
Whisper" is by Wham! Featuring George Michael. Should
Tompkins and Michael be credited for these songs in their
respective discographies?
Edited by Scanner on 05 June 2022 at 6:46pm
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
ChicagoBill
MusicFan
Joined: 06 November 2019
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 193
|
| Posted: 06 June 2022 at 3:56pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
I guess some of us have our own peculiarities in filing. When I had my record store, I would file Little Richard under
'Richard'. Little was just an adjective and not his name. He was not a group, either. I caught all sorts of grief. I
filed 'Little Anthony & the Imperials' under 'Anthony' and 15 years later he dropped the 'Little' starting with his Avco
releases. Do You file 'Big Joe Turner' before or after 'Ike & Tina Turner'? I chose 'Turner, Joe, Big' rather than
'Turner, Big Joe'. Most of you are scratching your heads. What about the 'Big Bopper'. We filed him under 'Big'. His name
isn't 'Big' nor 'Bopper' so we weren't going to file him under 'Richardson' because nobody would find him. Same reason
for 'Penniman' and 'Gourdine'. If 'Little Stevie Wonder' had failed to have more than just a couple of hits, would we
file him under under 'Little'? I'll sit back and take whatever criticism you give me. -Bill.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
AdvprosD
MusicFan
Joined: 12 June 2020
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 354
|
| Posted: 06 June 2022 at 5:46pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
ChicagoBill wrote:
I guess some of us have our own peculiarities in filing. When I had my record store, I would file Little Richard under
'Richard'. Little was just an adjective and not his name. He was not a group, either. I caught all sorts of grief. I
filed 'Little Anthony & the Imperials' under 'Anthony' and 15 years later he dropped the 'Little' starting with his Avco
releases. Do You file 'Big Joe Turner' before or after 'Ike & Tina Turner'? I chose 'Turner, Joe, Big' rather than
'Turner, Big Joe'. Most of you are scratching your heads. What about the 'Big Bopper'. We filed him under 'Big'. His name
isn't 'Big' nor 'Bopper' so we weren't going to file him under 'Richardson' because nobody would find him. Same reason
for 'Penniman' and 'Gourdine'. If 'Little Stevie Wonder' had failed to have more than just a couple of hits, would we
file him under under 'Little'? I'll sit back and take whatever criticism you give me. -Bill. |
|
|
As it's been stated before, most folks do this in a manner that works best for them. I have no opinion against anyone's methods.
Back when I was DJing, I needed a system that helped me find the songs as fast as possible. Especially, when they were the oldies from the 50's and 60's, (Shorter play times.)
My most "Go-To" method was identifying artists and title's by what stood out to me the most. Big Joe Turner was likely to be, "Turner, Big Joe." and others that had the word "Band" included
in the artist field was listed as "Miller, Steve - Band." Or, if I was being lazy, just "Miller, Steve Band." "Miller, Glenn and Orchestra" etc.
There were always exceptions to the rule, but I could frequently find things fast if I concentrated on what would make things easiest to find under pressure.
These days, I don't really have a formula. I have frequently just accepted whatever turns up on the computer. Unless, of course it is completely inaccurate.
__________________
<Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo!
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
AutumnAarilyn
MusicFan
Joined: 22 August 2019
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 181
|
| Posted: 06 June 2022 at 7:00pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Hey Scanner:
Gloria Estefan was on Miami Sound Machine's first single
and album back in 1977. They were originally known as the
Miami Latin Boys. The group decided to change the name so
Gloria could compete for awards in the female category
since she was the lead. They were competing as a group.
Youtube poster, the Jazz Shepherd and record store owner
Val Shively file by label and then catalog number. I'm
starting that it's not a bad way to file.
When filing alphabetically, the key is too key everything
together. In Japan, some stores put Paul McCartney's
catalog after the Beatles. Fleetwood Mac side projects by
one or more individual members could be cataloged
together.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Scanner
MusicFan
Joined: 14 August 2019
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 214
|
| Posted: 08 June 2022 at 12:33pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
AutumnAarilyn wrote:
When filing alphabetically, the
key is too key everything together. In Japan, some stores
put Paul McCartney's catalog after the Beatles. Fleetwood
Mac side projects by one or more individual members could
be cataloged together. |
|
|
I saw this in many US record stores as well. I always
found it odd to see dividers for Frey and Henley right
after Eagles in the E section or Frida and Agnetha
Faltskog right after ABBA instead of in the F section.
This was particularly odd - and a bit humorous! - to me
when many of those solo albums by group members were
released after the artists left the group and were
establishing distinct solo careers!
Edited by Scanner on 08 June 2022 at 12:34pm
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
AutumnAarilyn
MusicFan
Joined: 22 August 2019
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 181
|
| Posted: 09 June 2022 at 2:30pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
If the title was current, you wouldn't dare put former
group member adjacent to group. As something deep catalog
it kind of makes sense especially when two or more members
of the former group are involved. Stores always try to
carve sections so people who are interested in A come
across B.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Hykker
MusicFan
Joined: 30 October 2007
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1386
|
| Posted: 10 June 2022 at 5:10am | IP Logged
|
|
|
Scanner wrote:
I always
found it odd to see dividers for Frey and Henley right
after Eagles in the E section or Frida and Agnetha
Faltskog right after ABBA instead of in the F section.
This was particularly odd - and a bit humorous! - to me
when many of those solo albums by group members were
released after the artists left the group and were
establishing distinct solo careers! |
|
|
AutumnAarilyn wrote:
If the title was current, you wouldn't dare
put former
group member adjacent to group. As something deep catalog
it kind of makes sense especially when two or more members
of the former group are involved. Stores always try to
carve sections so people who are interested in A come
across B. |
|
|
To me putting solo efforts by group members next to the group's section makes perfect sense. Granted, Frey &
Henley were able to establish themselves as successful solo acts, Timothy B. Schmidt not so much. Likewise,
the 2 women from ABBA were one-hit wonders, why not put their solo releases where they're more likely to be
found? Have some under their own names as well, but definitely a tie in with the act that made them famous
can't hurt.
Doesn't really apply with filing stuff in a personal collection though.
Edited by Hykker on 10 June 2022 at 5:12am
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
PopArchivist
MusicFan
Joined: 30 June 2018
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1524
|
| Posted: 10 June 2022 at 7:45am | IP Logged
|
|
|
I agree with Hykker, Christine Mcvie for example belongs in the Fleetwood Mac folder. Stevie Nicks on the other hand can stand by herself. Lindsey Buckingham has two-three albums that were really popular.
I mean you wouldn't put Sting with the Police folder, but Andy and Stewart are just fine in the Police folder. Depends on how big and how established an artist is.
As for current Zayn has maybe two hits and two albums. He can go in the One Direction Folder. Harry Styles on the other hand has established a huge music career and success. The other members of One Direction not so much.
So you can still do this organization for current artists.
__________________
"I'm a pop archivist, not a chart philosopher, I seek to listen, observe and document the chart position of music."
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
aaronk
Admin Group
Joined: 16 January 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6513
|
| Posted: 10 June 2022 at 7:52am | IP Logged
|
|
|
Hykker wrote:
AutumnAarilyn wrote:
| If the title was current, you wouldn't dare put former group member adjacent to group. |
|
|
To me putting solo efforts by group members next to the group's section makes perfect sense.
|
|
|
I think what Autumn is saying here is that if it was a new title, a record store would file it where it belongs alphabetically (not with the former band), because you wouldn't want a customer to look for something and then walk out empty-handed, not knowing to look under the former band's section for a solo release.
__________________
Aaron Kannowski
Uptown Sound
91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Active Topics 
Memberlist 
Search 
Help
Register 
Login
Top 40 Music on Compact Disc : Chat Board
Topic: Alphabetizing artists by name
