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According to Billboard.com, the fire did not destroy any masters that had not already been backed up or digitized. Furthermore, they report that most of the masters stored at that facility were moved to another location prior to the fire. Maybe Marty Wekser has insider info that Billboard is not reporting, though.
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aaronk wrote:
According to Billboard.com, the fire did not destroy any masters that had not already been backed up or digitized. Furthermore, they report that most of the masters stored at that facility were moved to another location prior to the fire. Maybe Marty Wekser has insider info that Billboard is not reporting, though.
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That's what Universal claims, but it's apparently not true. Marty (who happens to live a few blocks from me -- I had lunch with him once) is in contact with the people who ran the vault at Universal, and it is they who told him that, while they don't know for sure everything that was lost, they're pretty positive that all the Decca and Coral tapes from the 1950s were destroyed.
Here's my post at the Steve Hoffman site about it, which cobbles together some of Marty's posts from BSN. (You can also see my ugly mug on my avatar.)
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Hmm, they locked the thread at Steve Hoffman forums and deleted all the posts. Interesting.
But the good news is Marty says none of the Motown masters were stored at Universal -- they're all on the east coast.
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Well, chances were, universal was never going to reissue 95% of the material in the vault that had not yet been reissued....so what is the loss, really? For years i had hoped for a "complete Ames Brothers on Coral and Decca" collection, but now i know that all i have to do is get one of the UK bootlegs with those songs, for that, as any US comp would have to now come from disc dubbed sources. Luckily 90+% of their Coral releases were available on 45's so reasonably sounding dubs could be done from those with the right equipment -- same with Bing Crosby, i have 45's by him dating back to 1950.... unfortunately the 1950's tape dubs of the laquers of his 1930's and 1940's masters are gone now too.....but there's so much of his that had never been on cd, too, and it's a real shame that it takes an event like this vault fire to wake up the record companies, or even just the fans.
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Is there a release date for the 1971 Complete Motown Singles?
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TomDiehl1 wrote:
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Yes, I've thought that, too. But nonethless, little by little tracks would leak out -- people would license them for a compilation or whatever. Now, if Marty is correct, it's no longer even possible.
For example, it was quite likely that Bear Family might have done a Volume 2 of their Red Foley Decca box set. Now, unless they were preparing it beforehand and already pulled all the tapes, it's not.
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Well -- Universal has vaults in other places of the world, too -- and it's always possible that tape backups may reside in one of those other vaults, i believe they have one in Germany and one in France if i'm not mistaken, Bear Family used tapes from the German vault whenever possible, which is how they uncovered the 3-track stereo mix of Wooden Heart by Joe Dowell.
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I was looking on Amazon.com, and it's showing a date of 11/18/08.
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sriv94 wrote:
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I was looking on Amazon.com, and it's showing a date of 11/18/08. |
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Looks like 1971 might be in two volumes. It's not on Hip-O Select yet, but every Internet reference lists the title as "Vol. 11A."
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Any indication at this point what the track listing might be?
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eriejwg wrote:
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Haven't seen one. Frequently Hip-O doesn't post their upcoming releases on their site until a week or two before release.
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Has there been any official acknowledgment of the ABC screwup?
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Track listing is supposedly here:
Vol. 11A Track Listing
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Thanks, Doug! Interesting:
Diana Ross:
Reach Out I'll Be There
Reach Out I'll Be There (Long Stereo Promo Version)
Reach Out I'll Be There (Short Stereo Promo Version)
Reach Out I'll Be There (Mono Promo Version)
I wonder why the mono promo version is on a separate disc from the rest.
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I was struck by the 'short promo version of Tom Clay's "What The World Needs Now." Wonder if this is the short promo that Jim mentioned he owned. And, we'll see the stereo promo of "Maybe Tomorrow" too.
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I have a promo single of this. Both the mono & stereo sides are shown as "short version" with a listed time of 5:19. I don't have the long version to compare it to.
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only one version of J5 'She's Good'.. hmmm
as long as they issue the correct version i'll be fine.
the true JERMAINE ONLY b-side as never been on CD.
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is this the short 3:19 version ?
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duplicate
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