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my commercial 45 for the johnny cymbal song 'mr bass man'
issued as kapp 503 does not list a run time on the label
but actually runs 2:34 and does NOT have the count-
off........all the db entries do not have a qualifier on
it, but the mono 45 has lots of re-verb while the stereo
version is completely dry......pat, you may want to re-
qualify the stereo entries as some other version, but NOT
the 45 version.....was the song originally issued in mono
on the album version or stereo?
Edited by edtop40 on 08 October 2013 at 6:14pm
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The very first place i heard this in stereo was on the MCA
Vintage series in the 80's, mixed by Steve Hoffman.
Thanks for reminding me Ed, i was sure the original had
reverb that was missing from this new stereo ... I love
Mr. Hoffman's mixes in this series, but i too wonder was
there a stereo LP? Anyone ever hear this in stereo before
1985?
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I thought I might have had this on one of the three K-tel LPs I have from the '70s, but it turns out that "Mr. Custer" is on two of them. Must've been cheaper to license than the Bass Man. ;)
BTW, the MCA 60043 reissue 45 on the black label with the rainbow uses a Kapp-era stamper and does have the correct 45 version with the reverb. However, the sound quality is much more muffled than on the Kapp 503 stock copy I have, but with some substantial top end EQing, it can be healed to match sound of the 1963 Kapp 45.
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Although this is far from a guarantee that the hit song actually appeared in
stereo on the stereo album, according to the amazingly accurate Kapp label
sequential LP releases area of BSN (they even also show a slight LP cover
variation scan for this LP!), Kapp did release both mono (KL 1324) and stereo
(KS 3324) versions of the "Mr. Bass Man" LP in 1963.
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If anyone is daring, there is a Japanese stereo EP on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/360586695637
Edited by TomDiehl1 on 21 October 2013 at 1:40am
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FYI: the 45 version with the reverb has finally been
released on CD (and in stereo) on Hard To Find Jukebox
Classics 1963: Rock, Rhythm & Pop (on the Hit Parade
label).
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P.S. A lot of the MCA reissues of Kapp Winners Circle 45
singles (themselves often from original metalwork) are from
stampers with high numbers of pressings on them. Which
explains the dull muffled sound.
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"Mr. Bass Man" appears in mono on the German comp Mr.
Bass Man - The Acetates, but it is completely dry (no
reverb at all).
https://www.discogs.com/release/12919236-Johnny-Cymbal-Mr-
Bass-Man-The-Acetates
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The 1963 hit was mono.
As of 2024, no proper CD releases in the US include the mono version.
The first CD to include a stereo version is MCA's Vintage Music Volumes 5 and 6 (1986). It includes a count-off, has no reverb on the vocals, and runs 2:40. I don't know what's on the stereo vinyl LP Mr. Bass Man; the Vintage Music discs have a few new remixes, and this might be one of them. The same analog transfer is used on:- Time-Life's Rock 'N' Roll Era Vol. 29 Sixties Rave On (1990) - cuts off count-off, tail of fade is about 3 beats shorter
- Time-Life's 2-CD Lost Treasures Of Rock 'N' Roll (1991) - cuts off count-off, adds reverb, tail of fade is about 9 beats shorter
- MCA's 2-CD Wacky Favorites (1993) - tail of fade is about 5 beats shorter
- Taragon's (1995) - adds reverb, narrows soundstage, tail of fade is about 4 beats shorter
- Time-Life's Wacky Favorites Weird And Wild (1998) - cuts off count-off, tail of fade is about 5 beats shorter
- Time-Life's 2-CD Glory Days Of Rock 'N' Roll Vol. 5 One Hit Wonders (1999) - cuts off count-off, adds reverb, narrows soundstage, tail of fade is about 3 beats shorter
- Mr. Bass Man The Best Of (2010, download from Qobuz) - adds reverb, narrows soundstage, tail of fade is about 3 beats shorter
- TM Century track no. 00007179 - cuts off count-off, adds noise reduction
There's a mono version, labeled as "Master", on Mr. Bass Man The Acetates (2017, download from Qobuz). This version runs about 0.3% faster than Vintage Music, cuts off the count-off, runs to the same point in the song as Vintage Music, and seems to have roughly the same amount of reverb as Vintage Music. To my ears, it sounds like a high-quality fold-down of the Vintage Music version, but I have a hard time detecting small differences in reverb.
There's another mono version, labeled as "Alternate", on Mr. Bass Man The Acetates (2009, download from Qobuz). This mono version runs at the same speed as Vintage Music, but cuts off the count-off, includes significantly more reverb, and fades about 30 beats sooner.
The version on Eric's Hard To Find Jukebox Classics 1963 (2014) runs about 0.5% faster than Vintage Music, cuts off the count-in, has lots more reverb, and runs about 16 beats shorter than Vintage Music. This is labeled in the database as "45 version". Can someone steer me toward what the difference between the "45 version" and "LP version" is, aside from the difference in reverb? There's a YouTube post by The45Prof that says that the mono 45 and the stereo versions of "Mr. Bassman" use differently-sung vocal takes. I don't hear a difference between the Eric and MCA discs, although I certainly might have missed something.
There's a version with a completely different vocal take (including different lyrics) on Ace UK's Golden Age Of American Rock 'N' Roll Special Novelty Edition (2003). Here, at 0:26, the lyrics are "you're distinctive/with the b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b". The Vintage Music version has "with a b-b-b-boom-boom/and a d-d-d-boom-boom-bom". Rerecording? Not sure.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 14 September 2024 at 8:09pm
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This song remains an unknown in terms of when it first appeared in stereo,
and, further, how it sounded (dry, or reverb like the 45). Someone would have
to listen to the 1963 Kapp stereo LP. And no one has indicated as such.
Based on group comments, seems that Vintage LP/CD collection might have
been the first stereo issue. We know that set provided a few new stereo tracks,
and also some in a different versions/mixes from the originals too. The Vintage
LP was the first time I'd heard the song in stereo too.
So "LP version" isn't really appropriate for the dry stereo, unless we can
confirm that it was indeed dry and stereo on the Kapp LP.
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