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Pat Downey
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I just timed the 45 and the actual running time is indeed (3:27) not (3:19) as stated on the record label.
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Pat:
We've all done a lot of work uncovering differences between printed and actual run times on 45s. Just curious... How concerned are you with printed and actual run time discrepencies on original LPs? The database lists a few LP run time differences, but I imagine there are tons out there that still have yet to be documented. I'd be willing to help uncover some, but it seems most readers (myself included) aren't quite as concerned about LP times since LP versions/lengths tend to be far more readily available on CD than 45 versions/lengths.
Also, I notice printed run times for songs on many domestic CD releases often differ from their corresponding actual run times, though its never been a practice of yours to note these differences. I know we could practically spend a lifetime trying to document every run time discrepency that has ever existed on vinyl and CD, but I know there are many of us who share your interest and drive in helping make your database the most complete and accurate of its kind.
I guess my main question boils down to this... How deeply are you looking to delve into all the run time discrepencies that exist out there? (I'd also be interested to get opinions from others on this board.)
Edited by Todd Ireland on 04 March 2006 at 8:15am
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As far as I am concerned I would be more than willing to enter any LP timing differences that are forwarded on to me. I think we should set some parameters though such as a difference greater than + or - :03
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Pat:
I no longer own any original vinyl LPs, but I'd be happy to pull some printed run times off LPs at my local used record shop if I notice that those times differ significantly from their corresponding LP lengths on CD. I'd then leave it up to you and other members to determine the actual run times on those original LPs.
I agree with the parameters you've established to report only run time differences of + or - :03. These are the same parameters I've been using when reporting discrepencies between printed and actual run times for 45s.
Edited by Todd Ireland on 04 March 2006 at 3:20pm
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the kinks "come dancing" runs 3:54 while the 45's face states the run time as 3:44
Edited by edtop40 on 11 March 2006 at 8:54am
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Eagles - Best of My Love: Actual 45 time is (3:29), not (3:25) as stated on the record label.
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Pointer Sisters - Slow Hand: Actual 45 time is (3:51), not (3:57) as stated on the record label.
(Credit: Edtop40)
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Todd Ireland wrote:
| Pointer Sisters - Slow Hand: Actual 45 time is (3:51), not (3:57) |
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Apparently that hand is not as slow as we thought...
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Brian W. wrote:
Todd Ireland wrote:
| Pointer Sisters - Slow Hand: Actual 45 time is (3:51), not (3:57) |
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Apparently that hand is not as slow as we thought... |
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I will always associate "Slow Hand" with a WKRP episode, in which Venus and Johnny were broadcasting at their transmitter (I think because of a bomb threat), and as Venus was introing "Slow Hand" the turntable shuts down. He then says, "This is Venus, with a slow hand...and turntable to match."
Man, I miss WKRP. Shame licensing issues are what's keeping it off DVD.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
Ed:
The LP version/length of "Footloose" is 3:46. Is there an edit on the 45 causing it to run 3:41, or does the 45 simply have a faster pitch than the LP? The LP ends cold so I don't imagine the 45 could be an early fade of the LP. |
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The 45 and LP versions of "Footloose" also have different intros. The LP soundtrack version starts out with a drumbeat and bass intro. The 45 version begins with cymbal crescendo. That mix is unique to the single and can't be extracted from editing the LP mix.
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edtop40 wrote:
bonnie tyler "total eclipse of the heart"
45 label face states run time as 4:29--------actual run time of the 45 is 5:31 |
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There were two US promo 45s of this: the first has the incorrect 4:29 running time on both sides, the second has a 4:36 "edited" version on one sid eand a 5:21 version on the other - although the 5:21 version is actually 5:31 as noted above. As far as I know, only the incorrect 4:29 version was ever released commercially.
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Regarding Bonnie Tyler's "Total Eclipse Of The Heart":
torcan wrote:
| There were two US promo 45s of this: the first has the incorrect 4:29 running time on both sides, the second has a 4:36 "edited" version on one sid eand a 5:21 version on the other - although the 5:21 version is actually 5:31 as noted above. As far as I know, only the incorrect 4:29 version was ever released commercially. |
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I had Jim send me a dub of his promo 45, which has the incorrect printed run time & runs the same length as the commercial 45. Does anyone own the other promo and can say what was edited out? If I am looking for a copy of the edited 45, is there a way to distinguish between the two?
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aaronk wrote:
Regarding Bonnie Tyler's "Total Eclipse Of The Heart":
I had Jim send me a dub of his promo 45, which has the incorrect printed run time & runs the same length as the commercial 45. Does anyone own the other promo and can say what was edited out? If I am looking for a copy of the edited 45, is there a way to distinguish between the two? |
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I have both of the promos, and on the edited one, the second verse just before the instrumental is cut out. You can tell because the label on one side says "4:36 (edited version)".
I've heard this version on the radio but maybe it wasn't as widely distributed as the other promo. I got mine on e-bay a couple of years ago.
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Thanks, torcan!
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edtop40 wrote:
| Kenny Loggins "Vox Humana"----45 label states run time as 3:49 but actually runs 4:08 |
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My U.S. 45 has a stated time of 4:09 but runs 3:49 (Matrix ZS5-173369 2D). (For what it's worth, my Canadian 45 is exactly the same: stated time of 4:09 but actual time of 3:49).
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RE: Kenny Loggins-Vox Humana
I have yet another addition to the 45 entries. My promo 45 of this song (Matrix ZSS-173369 1H, with notation "Mastered by Capitol - 'Wally'") states a running time of 3:54 but an actual time of 4:08. What's more, its speed is about 1.05% faster, which is exactly what I got when I sped up the LP version to match the 45. Of course that doesn't explain Edtop40's version that runs 3:49. Might we need an addition of this into the DB? Maybe "45 Speed?" And another question: just who the hell is Wally?
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Robert wrote:
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"Wally" is Wally Traugott.
(from discogs.com: ) "Mastering and lacquer-cutting engineer for Capitol Records' Capitol Mastering subsidiary. "Wally" is always credited in the runout grooves of the record, with MASTERED BY CAPITOL stamped in, and the "Wally" signature etched alongside. Wally has mastered a wide variety of music from Top 40 Rock and Pop to the Beastie Boys."
Still haven't found any deadwaxes etched with "The Beav"
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Paul C wrote:
| My U.S. 45 has a stated time of 4:09 but runs 3:49 (Matrix ZS5-173369 2D). |
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This 45 pressing contains an edit of "Vox Humana." The edit removes about 19 seconds starting at the 3:09 mark. The edit points are on the fourth beat of the measure after the word "life" and in front of the "you got to got to got to..." 19 seconds later.
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edtop40 wrote:
"fairytale" by the pointer sisters runs 3:01 and NOT 3:11 as
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From way back in 2006, I found this comment about the 45 length of the song.
It is on several CDs in this length. Tom Daly has recently posted a 45 dub of
the song, in mono as it was originally issued. It runs 3:09. Another poster
mentions a stereo Goldies 45 running 3:01.
ed, please let us know where your timing came from - we may need alterations
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To DavidClark:
Where is Tom Daly posting? I can't locate a website for him anymore!
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