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Brian W.
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Posted: 19 June 2006 at 12:08pm \| IP Logged

Pat lists 4:05 as the running time of the 45 version on various CDs. However, Whitburn lists 3:54, and my version on the Canadian "Here Come the Hits" CD runs an actual 3:53. 11 seconds is a big difference.

Does anyone have the 45 who can time it? Maybe the 45 runs faster than the standard CD version, or maybe the intro is longer. On my Canadian CD, the first word is at 00:41.

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Posted: 19 June 2006 at 12:43pm \| IP Logged

I have the original US 45, it's in my 45 archive, so I'll try to locate it. I notice
a non-single version out there that has a symphonic intro.

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Posted: 19 June 2006 at 3:20pm \| IP Logged

I was about to post this one anyhow. My promo has the (Original European Hit) on one side, with a listed time of (3:54), but an actual time of (4:05). Deadwax PB-13988A-B. The other side, (U.S. Radio Edit) has a listed time of (4:05) but an actual time of (3:52). Deadwax PB-13988-D. This is the side with the "symphonic, Jethro Tull-like intro" that anthology123 references. Our station played the "Original European Hit" version back in '85.

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Posted: 19 June 2006 at 7:01pm \| IP Logged

Hmm...so which was the US commercial 45 version?

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Posted: 19 June 2006 at 8:52pm \| IP Logged

I was hoping nobody would ask that, as my '88-'94 promo CD singles were blocking the doorway to my "stock 45s" room, but it's a legitimate question, Brian. Moved the boxes for you - the stock 45 does not specify anything on it, but the intros of the two versions are "night and day" different. The stock 45 version is, with COMPLETE certainty, the listed (3:54), actual (4:05) "Original European Hit" version.

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Posted: 19 June 2006 at 9:09pm \| IP Logged

Thanks, Jim. Hope you didn't need a forklift to move those CDs!

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Posted: 20 June 2006 at 5:14pm \| IP Logged

I found my original US 45 with picture sleeve. The timing was listed as 3:54,
but I played the single this morning and can confirm the real run time as
4:05.

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Posted: 11 June 2007 at 7:45pm \| IP Logged

Eriejwg, I've bumped this up for you. A common trip-up for new folks on the "search" feature is that Pat's programmer has "Message Body" as the "Search In" default search. I have never used this. You have to click on the arrow after "Message Body." Then you see another option pop up, which is the one you REALLY want here, "Topic Subject." Click on THAT option, and all will fall into place. If others on the Board also happen to use the "Topic Subject" search most frequently, perhaps we can suggest to Pat/his programmer that they flip-flop the two options, and make "Topic Subject" the "default" search.

Edited by jimct on 11 June 2007 at 7:46pm

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I generally use "message body" first (because it's the default), and if that yields no results, I'll try using "topic subject." Jim, you bring up a good point, though. If you can't find something under one option, try the other. Happy searching!

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Posted: 13 June 2007 at 6:20am \| IP Logged

This is a tricky one to figure out.

Jim, my U.S. promo 45 is the same as yours, but it appears that due to a production error the labels on both our copies were reversed. The side labeled as "Original European Hit" and with a stated time of 3:54 and described as having an "introduction by London Symphony Orchestra" is actually the "U.S. radio edit" running about 4:05 with no London Symphony Orchestra intro (and vice versa).

My U.S. commercial 45 incorrectly gives a running time of 3:54 and incorrectly states it has an introduction by the London Symphony Orchestra. It actually runs about 4:05 and the LSO appears nowhere on the record. It has a completely different intro and a rendition of the chorus before the first verse. As Jim states, this is the version labeled on the U.S. promo 45 as the "Original European Hit", but since the labels on the U.S. promo 45 are reversed, this is actually the "U.S. radio edit".

The Canadian 45 is the version running about 3:52 with the London Symphony Orchestra, which explains the running time on Brian's Canadian CD. This appears to be the version released as the commercial 45 in every country except the U.S.

Are we confused yet?

Edited by Paul C on 13 June 2007 at 6:23am

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Posted: 13 October 2007 at 9:36pm \| IP Logged

Bumping this up because the (3:52) dj timing info has not yet been added to the database.

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Does anybody know how the sound quality on "Retro Lunch Box
- Squeeze The Cheese" compares to the Rhino discs (which
I'm sure are excellent)?

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The sound quality on Rhino's Just Can't Get Enough Vol. 14 (1995) is about as good as it's going to get on CD. It sounds a little dull here, but that may be how the song was mixed. Plus, the first 53 seconds are taken from vinyl. (Thanks to Aaron, who pointed this out years ago.) I suspect that the source tapes for the commercial 45 version are lost, and the commercial 45 intro from vinyl was grafted onto the promo 45 version from tape. The vinyl portion of the song runs 108.4 BPM throughout; the rest runs 108.7 BPM throughout.

There are digital clones of Just Can't Get Enough Vol. 14 (1995) on:

Universal's Retro Lunchbox Squeeze The Cheeze (1997; digitally exactly 1.56 dB quieter)
Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 3 1984-1985 (1999; differently EQ'd digital clone)

The version on swaitek's 50-CD promo A List Disc 30 (1994) is taken from vinyl, and runs 108.5 BPM throughout.

Edited by crapfromthepast on 05 June 2015 at 6:58am

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Great info, CFTP! Thank you!! I've ordered the "Just
Can't Get Enough" disc.

Edited by NightAire on 06 June 2015 at 3:46pm

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Posted: 11 June 2015 at 9:28pm \| IP Logged

The CD arrived today -- lots of great hits in pristine
quality -- and I'm thrilled to have a clean copy of
ONIB...

BUT...

Now that I know the first 50-something seconds are from
vinyl, I can absolutely hear the difference in texture...
AND I CAN'T UN-HEAR IT!!!

Darn you, Top 40 Music On CD, darn you all!

;-)

(Thank you all for the help and information; day by day
BlackLight Radio gets better and better, thanks to you.)

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Posted: 11 June 2015 at 11:26pm \| IP Logged

LOL. I too feel the pain of "once you hear it, you can't
un-hear it".

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Posted: 22 August 2019 at 1:40pm \| IP Logged

This is quoted from another thread:

NightAire wrote:

Aaron, did you ever find the edit points for the "U.S.
radio edit" running 3:52... and am I correct this would
be considered the "hit" radio version?

I've also stumbled across an audio file of unknown
origins which chops off about the first 90 seconds of
orchestra on the LP version to create an edit running
3:29.

I've found two potential sources for this edit, but I
don't have the vinyl to compare:

This 12" U.S. promo lists a song length of 3:14,

and,

This 7" Brazil single lists a closer time of 3:31.

For some reason this edit sounds familiar, like I might
have heard it on American Top 40 or something... but I
think the local stations played the commercial single
version.

I came across a copy of the promo 12" that Gene mentions, and it has the 4:05 "US Radio Edit" (without symphonic intro). This is the same version that appears on the US 7" single. [Jim states in an earlier post that his station played the "Original European Hit" from the promo 45, but it has been determined that the labels were likely erroneously applied to the wrong sides of the record. The version his station played is the one without the symphonic intro and matches the US stock 45.]

The B-side of this 12" has a printed time of 3:14. I didn't time it, but it was easy to figure out what is missing. This shorter version starts on the downbeat right before the word "Bangkok" in the first verse. You can hear the tail end of the synth stab overlapping this beat, so it's merely an edit.

To answer Gene's other question about the promo 45 version with orchestra intro (aka Original European Hit), it cannot be created from the LP version. There are two main parts of the LP intro that appear on the promo 45 intro, but the fade in is unique to the promo 45. I suspect both versions were edited down from an even longer take by the London Symphony Orchestra.

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