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Bill Cahill
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Posted: 08 August 2012 at 9:38am \| IP Logged

I just got the PR release that there are two versions of new "Greatest Hits" releases coming out on CD, one with 20 tracks and the other with 50.

Also 12 albums have been remastered, with 100% stereo versions in addition to mono. This means new real stereo for the Beach Boys "Party", "Smiley Smile", "Summer Days (and Summer Nights)", "All Summer Long", "The Beach Boys Today". Press release claims first time stereo for "I Get Around" and "Good Vibrations". Hopefully it's real stereo without synched sections.

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Posted: 08 August 2012 at 9:39am \| IP Logged

Also says stereo for Help Me Rhonda and 409..

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Posted: 08 August 2012 at 3:57pm \| IP Logged

Bill Cahill wrote:

Does the press release state if the stereo "I Get Around", "Good Vibrations", and "Help Me Rhonda" will be on the 20-track disc set? I suppose I can make room for one more Beach Boys Greatest Hits compilation, but I refuse to splurge for yet another box set just for a couple of rare stereo mixes.

Edited by Todd Ireland on 08 August 2012 at 4:01pm

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I have heard the new stereo mixes as the twelve remasters were released two weeks ago in Japan and a good friend of mine purchased them.

The "Good Vibrations" stereo mix/creation is the best of the bunch. Very true to the 45 sound. But yes, Bill, there are synched & extracted sections; but Derry Fitzgerald & Mark Linett did an outstanding job.

"Heroes & Villians" is truer to the 45 than the previous stereo mix from a few years ago.

"Help Me, Rhonda" is not so much synched, but more 'extracted' sounding. Still sounds very good on speakers (fair on headphones).

"Help Me, Ronda" (LP version) is very good stereo however.

"409" sounds stereo on speakers, but careful listening on headphones indicates it's strictly an extraction.

"I Get Around" again sounds like an excellent DES
with 'phones' on, but natural with loudspeakers.

"Dance, Dance, Dance" is a better, truer to the 45 stereo mix than previously issued.

"Do You Wanna Dance" stereo mix is flawed, but still wonderful to hear in stereo.

Classic Carl-led LP cut "Girl Don't Tell Me" is beautiful sounding in new stereo.

There are more revelations, of course, but these are of the most interest to this board.

Don't forget that these sets include the dedicated monaural mixes too for the mono purists out there.

Andy

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Posted: 08 August 2012 at 8:49pm \| IP Logged

I'm not clear on what you mean by "synched" and "extracted." To me, these terms scream out "fake stereo." Do you mean to say that some of the Beach Boys tracks were never available in true stereo? That's seems odd since most LPs were being mixed in stereo in the '60s.

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Posted: 09 August 2012 at 5:37am \| IP Logged

Aaron, Brian Wilson mixed many Beach Boys tracks to mono only in the 60s.
I recall reading he had/has a hearing problem in one ear and he preferred
mono. #1 hits "I Get Around" and "Good Vibrations" never saw true stereo
mixes before the CD era (and what has appeared, are indeed sync-ups).
Also, the complete "Pet Sounds" LP was mono until the 90s. As well, many
other BB tracks were always mono-only. I am anxiously waiting to hear
these CDs.

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Posted: 09 August 2012 at 5:47am \| IP Logged

Interesting. But I still don't understand the need for a "sync up." No
multitracks available?

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Posted: 09 August 2012 at 7:12am \| IP Logged

aaronk wrote:

Interesting. But I still don't understand the need for a "sync up." No
multitracks available?

Not for everything, no. A lot of companies didn't even keep their multitracks, especially for artists that weren't big. But even on the recent "Smile" release, in production at the height of the Beach Boys' fame, there were two songs where they couldn't find the vocal tracks, and they had to do a sync-up with a radio performance of the songs.

Edited by Brian W. on 09 August 2012 at 7:14am

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For Good Vibrations, is there a difference in time between the original mono and the stereo versions?

I was listening to a collection of Time-Life V/A discs that I picked up on ebay called "Spirit of the Sixties." This isn't the UK version, and was released in 2000.
The reason I ask about the time(s), is because I didn't remember the last part of the song going on for 3+ measures before fading out completely. I suppose I could
start looking on the shelf for other versions, but wanted to ask here first. This copy I have runs 3:45. I'm pretty sure it's a stereo version. Though I'm not sure how
to tell if it is "True Stereo."

Edit: I did find another version on the shelf which sounded right at the end, (Quick fade), That one runs 3:32.
Also commenting on LunarLaugh below... For a mono recording, I'd have to put headphones on and listen a bit. If indeed mono, what a mastery of audio arrangements!

Edited by AdvprosD on 12 October 2022 at 6:34pm

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Good Vibrations is, as far as I care, still mono only. All official stereo mixes have been a hodge-podge of "extractions" from the mono mix,
sometimes combined with elements from the existing multi-tracks. There's been a good number of stereo "instrumental" mixes over the years
but for a long time, no vocal multi-tracks were known to exist until around the time the Love and Mercy Brian Wilson biopic was being put
together and lo and behold, a tape containing some single-tracked vocals appeared.

There was an odd edit of Good Vibrations released on the mid 90s DCC reissue of Endless Summer which Steve Hoffman assumingly created solely
because he could; he took the ending off the instrumental mix from the Beach Boys 1993 Good Vibrations 5CD box set and tacked it on to the
original mono mix creating a single mix with a slightly longer ending. The switch in fidelity on the edit is noticeable, though and if you
compare this ending to the one on the actual single mix, you'll notice that it doesn't quite sound right (possibly an alternate take).

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Posted: 25 February 2024 at 6:26pm \| IP Logged

I've been reading the comments here about the newer stereo mixes and also
looking at the various database entries, and I'd like to know people's opinions
of the best stereo versions of these 3 songs, and what CDs they're on. By
best, I guess I'd say "most natural":

Good Vibrations
Barbara Ann
I Get Around

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Posted: 26 February 2024 at 8:28am \| IP Logged

EdisonLite wrote:

I prefer the DES on Eric Records Hard To Find Jukebox Classics 1963-64 -29 Amazing Stereo Hits for I Get Around. For Barbara Ann, the stereo release of Beach Boys Party! and for Good Vibrations the stereo on Thirty Years Of The Beach Boys (Disc 3).

Edited by PopArchivist on 26 February 2024 at 8:28am

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Posted: 26 February 2024 at 3:03pm \| IP Logged

Richie, is the version of I Get Around on HTF Jukebox Classics the same as
one of these:

"VBO Beach Boys: Sounds of Summer" (Expanded 3 CD) - 2021 stereo mix
- vocals sound pretty centered/mono, but the drums (particularly the snare
& claps) are panned to the right

"All Summer Long (mono & stereo)" - harmonies are wide stereo but the
drums are pretty centered/mono and and much lower (or barely heard)
compared to the other mix. The snare is quite buried (but claps are clear).

It's like - one is great if you want wide/stereo vocals (but not drums) and
other other is really good if you want stereo drums but no stereo vocals.

Maybe having both in stereo is limited/impossible due to the amount of
multi tracks on the master recording. But maybe HTF CD has wide stereo
for both vocals and drums - with well-done DES, I suppose that's a
possibility.

(BTW, I did just order Thirty Years Of The Beach Boys (3 CD set) because
you're right - "Good Vibrations" sounds really good there. I checked on
Spotify.)

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Posted: 27 February 2024 at 5:31am \| IP Logged

EdisonLite
(BTW, I did just order Thirty Years Of The Beach Boys (3
CD set) because
you're right - Good Vibrations sounds really good
there. I checked on
Spotify.)[/QUOTE wrote:

I can't find 'Thirty Years Of The Beach Boys' on Spotify.

I own 'Good Vibrations: Thirty Years Of The Beach Boys'
but it's mono on my set.

Can anyone clarify

I can't find 'Thirty Years Of The Beach Boys' on Spotify.

I own 'Good Vibrations: Thirty Years Of The Beach Boys'
but it's mono on my set.

Can anyone clarify or help?

Andy

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Posted: 28 February 2024 at 9:38am \| IP Logged

It is mono on my copy.

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Posted: 02 March 2024 at 12:31am \| IP Logged

What I bought is

Sounds Of Summer: The Very Best Of The Beach Boys[Expanded Edition 3
CD]

Here's a link:
https://www.amazon.com/Sounds-Summer-Very-Beach-
Expanded/dp/B09XGKHPVC/ref=sr_1_1?
crid=381HAC713KZFX&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.yhvWsd99-
fwIheC9NR5GOw.p9G35CKswfBw6FSB0VgqCYJscqkVCVIdaaPTNiiIW30&di
b_tag=se&keywords=Sounds+Of+Summer%3A+The+Very+Best+Of+The+B
each+Boys%5BExpanded+Edition+3+CD%5D&qid=1709364253&s=music&
sprefix=sounds+of+summer+the+very+best+of+the+beach+boys+exp ande
d+edition+3+cd+%2Cpopular%2C150&sr=1-1

I think the confusion came in - because though I checked out the above
album on Spotify before buying it (that's where the good Good Vibrations is) -
I was reading Richie's post/recommendation, which said:

<for Good Vibrations the stereo on Thirty Years Of The Beach Boys (Disc
3).>

Because both were 3 CD sets, I made a mistake in thinking this collection (the one Richie bought) is what I bought.

I know that what I bought was originally released as just a 1-disc collection.
This expanded edition has the same 1st CD (but with more stereo mixes)
plus more 2 CDs.

If the CD you guys have of Thirty Years Of The Beach Boys has Good
Vibrations, maybe Richie can offer some clarity. Richie - Was there first a 1-CD version of this, and then the 3 CD set that you have (with the song in
stereo)?

That would be kind of odd if 2 different comps (that were both 1 CD) were
both expanded later to 3 CDs and replaced "Good Vibrations" with a stereo
version for their expanded editions. But stranger things have happened ...

Edited by EdisonLite on 02 March 2024 at 12:34am

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