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aaron...are you talking about the 45 version or some other version....the 45 version is the same as the version from the cd control, i believe....
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edtop40 wrote:
| aaron...are you talking about the 45 version or some other version....the 45 version is the same as the version from the cd control, i believe.... |
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You are correct that the vinyl 45 is the Control LP version. Jim and some others posted above that the DJ 45 and commerical cassette single contains the 7" Vocal version, which is a remix. I'm wondering if you can create this version by editing that extended remix.
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aaronk wrote:
For anyone who is trying to create the true 45 version of "Nasty," I have a CD source where you can get the section you need: Control: The Remixes with the "Extended" mix of "Nasty."
At (3:43) is the section (without the "wind" sound effects) that can be inserted at the (2:38) mark of the 45 edit. :)
My next question for Johann (or anyone who knows)---
Can you re-create the 7" vocal version of "Pleasure Principle" by editing the "Long Vocal Remix" on the German version of the above mentioned CD? |
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Thanks for that, Aaron!
Now... as far as I know, you can't create the 7" Vocal of "Pleasure Principle" from the Extended Vocal, but I'll admit I've never tried. You'd have to take the intro from the LP version, I believe, and dub her acapella "I promise, I'll be worth the wait" over that. I really should give it a go one of these days.
The 7" Vocal was the commercial 45 version in England. I wonder if that's ever turned up on a comp anywhere, considering our recent discoveries of the Madonna remix edits.
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Aaron, it is my understanding that the 7" Vocal cannot be recreated using the Long Vocal Remix, for starters because it begins with a fade in synth sound, similar to a piano sustain in reverse, that goes back "forward" with the first beat, and that part is absent on any part of the Extended Vocal. For the rest of the 7" Vocal, it could be edited down from the Long as far as I can tell.
The version that can be entirely recreated from the Long Vocal is the Video Mix, which is just an edit of it.
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Johann, thank you very much for the info! I'm going to try to obtain a copy of that import CD and the vinyl 7" vocal. I'll just dub any missing parts from the vinyl for my re-creation.
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Aaron, if you need a WAV of the Extended Vocal and have, say a Gmail account that can hold its size, all you need is ask : )
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Question for Jim or anyone else privy to promo 45 information for "The Pleasure Principle"... Do both sides of the promo 45 contain the 7" Vocal Version remix, or does one side feature an edit of the LP version? Currently, the database doesn't specify that DJ 45 copies contain the 7" Vocal Version.
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jimct wrote:
| Both sides of my promo 45 claim to be "SIDE A-S", and have a listed (4:19), and actual (4:20) (7" vocal) on them. Deadwax A&M AM 02927-A-S ES1. |
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Based on this post by Jim, I'd say both sides are identical.
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Interesting, because I never heard the 7" Vocal on the radio in Seattle. It was either the LP or LP edit. For some reason I was under the impression that the 7" Vocal had not been issued on a promo in the US.
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Brian: We also got in the listed (4:58) on both sides DJ 45 for it. But the 7" vocal DJ 45 I referred to earlier WAS received by the station as well, and is currently a part of my collection.
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I'm just comparing the 7" Vocal with the Long Vocal Remix. As stated above, the intro of the 7" Vocal cannot be extracted from the Long Vocal Remix. This is the section from (0:00) to about (0:31), almost to where Janet starts singing the first verse.
There is one other section that cannot be extracted from the longer mix, too. It's from (2:49) to (3:10). There's a different chorus (just before the breakdown) that's nowhere to be found in the long version.
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I just wanted to add that the extended mix of "What Have You Done For Me Lately ends with an acapella echo, so replacing the end of the non-US Design Of A Decade edit with the end of the extended mix creates (to my ears) the correct 7" mix.
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I've tried using the ending from the extended mix of "Lately," and they aren't quite the same. On the 45, there is an exhale breath over the last drum beat and keyboard note. On the extended mix, this breath is missing. Also, the echo on the 45 is smoother sounding. The echo on the extended mix sounds kind of choppy, like the beginning of the word "lately" is slightly cut off.
So, you can't exactly get the 45 version by pasting that section on.
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Underground Dub wrote:
| the extended mix of "What Have You Done For Me Lately ends with an acapella echo, so replacing the end of the non-US Design Of A Decade edit with the end of the extended mix creates (to my ears) the correct 7" mix. |
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What's wrong with the non-US "Design of a Decade" version of "What Have You Done For Me Lately"? Is it not the correct 45 version? The breath over the last drumbeat is cerainly there.
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The version on that CD has the same ending as the LP version, so it must have been someone's attempt to recreate the 45 version (but you cannot edit the LP to make the 45). While the LP ending does have the breath, it also has a keyboard that echoes with the vocal. The 45 ending only has an echo on the vocal.
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jimct wrote:
| Brian: We also got in the listed (4:58) on both sides DJ 45 for it. But the 7" vocal DJ 45 I referred to earlier WAS received by the station as well, and is currently a part of my collection. |
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Pat, I am bumping this up, because the database currently states "DJ copies of this 45 run (4:20)". This is half true, as the listed (4:19), actual (4:20) "7" Remix" was on both sides of one of the TWO different promo 45s we got in for this song. The other promo 45 has the same listed (4:58), actual (4:57) version, on both sides, that appeared on the commercial 45.
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Brian W. wrote:
I started a "Janet Jackson: The 45 Versions on CD" list about a year ago, then never posted it. I suppose I should finish it. |
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BRI-AN! BRI-AN! BRI-AN!... :D
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Unbelievable, but I found the 7" Vocal of "Pleasure Principle" on CD! It was issued in 1987 on a Holland-only CD compilation called "The Hit Academy." I just got it online from a used CD shop in Germany for about ten bucks. Strangely, the artwork lists the running time of the track as 4:58, which is the time for the album version. But, nope, it's the 7" Vocal remix.
I'll send out more information on it via private email later tonight.
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Jim:
Which version of "Pleasure Principle" did your station play?
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Thank you so much for this! :O
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