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edtop40
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Posted: 04 July 2013 at 7:11pm \| IP Logged

my commercial 45 for the billy joel song 'piano man' issued
as columbia 45963 lists the run time on the label as 4:30
but actually runs 4:32...the db states the 45 run time is
4:30...pat, can you confirm your 45's running time....jim,
can you double check, as well?...thanks aaron for the edit
edit you did years ago....THANKS!!!

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Posted: 04 July 2013 at 10:37pm \| IP Logged

Ed, my timing is exactly the same as yours. My commercial 45, confirmed as
Columbia 45963, with handwritten deadwax of "ZSS 158882-1C", has a
listed time of (4:30) and an actual time of (4:32). I'm sure the reason Pat has
never updated his db with this info is because, as you already know, Ed, Pat's
longtime db policy has been to not note listed/actual timing differences of
less than :03 seconds.

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Posted: 05 July 2013 at 4:46am \| IP Logged

i understand not worrying about discrepancies less than
0:03, but i figured he'd like to have it correct....no
biggie...as long as i'm not losing my mind with the wrong
info....i'm good....thanks for double checking
me.....edtop40

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Posted: 06 July 2013 at 2:14pm \| IP Logged

Can the 45 version be re-created by editing the LP? I had
understood that there were some mix differences.

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Posted: 06 July 2013 at 2:35pm \| IP Logged

Ringmaster_D wrote:

Can the 45 version be re-created by editing the LP? I had
understood that there were some mix differences.

No, it's a different mix. It's on the "Piano Man: The Very Best of Billy Joel" import CD.

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Posted: 06 July 2013 at 6:18pm \| IP Logged

ISTR there being a ~3:15 promo edit...can that be created
from the single?

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Posted: 06 July 2013 at 6:57pm \| IP Logged

Thanks to all of you for some helpful information in this forum.

I actually have three versions of "Piano Man" from broadcast libraries:

Short 45 version 3:15

Long 45 version 4:32

Special radio edit 4:10

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Posted: 06 July 2013 at 10:08pm \| IP Logged

I've never heard anything about a 4:10 special radio edit. I wonder if that was just a special edit done by a radio station, or if Columbia pressed a 45 of it.

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Posted: 06 July 2013 at 10:11pm \| IP Logged

It was from a national radio music source.

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Posted: 07 July 2013 at 6:08am \| IP Logged

Tpsea, welcome to the forum!

Guys like Ron (aka crapfromthepast; "Hitmakers" former radio broadcast
music source) and AaronK ("TM Century" radio broadcast music service)
are both very well acquainted with, and have large collections of, the discs
from these popular series.

The general rule that Pat that long adopted for version
recognition/inclusion in his db, has been an "official" label release only.
That would include either a stock and/or promo 45, a cassette single, an
LP and/or full-length CD, or a commercial CD single, maxi-single, or
promo CD single. (Also, on rare occasions, a label has sent out a unique
edit to radio, via reel-to-reel tape only, such as George Michael's "I Want
Your Love", by Columbia, in 1987.)

Over the years, numerous "unique radio edits" have been discovered, on
the many discs that Ron, Aaron and others own, of this type. And while it
is always interesting to note/hear about these (and it has turned out that
some do, in fact, match up with a not-previously-known, promo CD
single version release, for example), the fact that a unique version has
been found to ONLY appear on, say, a TM Century disc, has not been
enough, by itself, for it to be considered as an "officially released by the
record label" version, for our purposes here.

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Posted: 29 January 2016 at 12:17pm \| IP Logged

Hykker wrote:

ISTR there being a ~3:15 promo edit...can that be created
from the single?

Can the 3:15 promo re-issue be edited down from the 45 version found on
"Piano Man: The Very Best of Billy Joel" import CD?

http://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-Piano-Man/release/6594737

Thanks

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Posted: 29 January 2016 at 12:45pm \| IP Logged

Yes, it can, but I cannot recall the edits. It's been many years since I created my file, but I recall that the mix is the same between the short promo edit and the commercial 45 (i.e. different from LP version/mix).

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chendagam
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Posted: 29 January 2016 at 3:13pm \| IP Logged

Thanks Aaron. Since we are on the subject can you or anyone else
describe the mix differences? I believe this was the case with "The
Entertainer" as well.

Update: never mind found the details here:
http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?
TID=159&KW=billy+joel+piano+man

Edited by chendagam on 29 January 2016 at 6:59pm

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Posted: 08 July 2016 at 2:27pm \| IP Logged

Hi, I'm new to the forum, so please forgive me if this
has been discussed already: When I try to upload the
single version of "Piano Man" to iTunes, it recognizes
it as the album version. I can't even play the single
version through iTunes. Any way around that glitch?

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Posted: 09 July 2016 at 4:18am \| IP Logged

michaelwatkins wrote:

Hi, I'm new to the forum, so please forgive me
if this
has been discussed already: When I try to upload the
single version of "Piano Man" to iTunes, it recognizes
it as the album version. I can't even play the single
version through iTunes. Any way around that glitch?

Not sure
what you're getting at, but it sounds like you may be uploading your
music to a cloud and trying to use iTunes Match?

If you care at all about the differences between single vs. album versions,
as most of us here do, iTunes Match is a disaster since it will often replace
any song you upload from your personal cd collection with the version
that exists in the iTunes library. iTunes Match does not readily
distinguish between different versions of the same song and will just
replace what you upload with whatever it has.

iTunes (US) does not have the single version of "Piano Man" available for
purchase. So, if you have the CD "Piano Man: The Very Best of Billy Joel"
(which has the single version of "Piano Man") and you're trying to upload it
to your personal iTunes library and using iTunes Match, it really wouldn't
shock me that it's replacing the single version of "Piano Man" with one of
the many examples of the album version that exists in the iTunes
database. That's how iTunes Match works and that's why I don't use it--
it's a disaster if you care about maintaining different versions of songs.

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Posted: 09 July 2016 at 1:46pm \| IP Logged

I agree 100% with JL's post.

If you're serious about your music library, avoid iTunes at all costs, and get yourself a serious music library management program.

I use mp3tag to manage the tags in my files, Winamp to do searches for a particular song, artist, or album, and foobar2000 to do day-to-day stuff. All three are free, and won't do anything unexpected that will destroy your library. There are many more out there, but these will get you started.

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Ron S
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Posted: 09 December 2018 at 7:57pm \| IP Logged

chendagam wrote:

Hykker wrote:

ISTR there being a ~3:15 promo
edit...can that be created
from the single?

Can the 3:15 promo re-issue be edited down from the 45 version found on
"Piano Man: The Very Best of Billy Joel" import CD?

http://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-Piano-Man/release/6594737

Thanks

Here is the promo version....I have the longer 45 version from the import CD
but will be editing it to the promo version below.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=UWzK87t7Ja8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWzK87t7Ja8

Ron S
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Posted: 16 February 2019 at 4:25pm \| IP Logged

So from the video...I figured there is one edit point but not sure
where....anyone already re-created the short 45 version?

Ron S
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Posted: 16 February 2019 at 4:57pm \| IP Logged

Nevermind I found the edit point.

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