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crapfromthepast
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Ran across an edited version of this, and was wondering where it came from.
Most of the versions I have on CD are all about the same length (about 3:28), including:- Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 22 (best-sounding of the bunch)
- Time-Life's AM Gold - 1978 (digitally identical to Have A Nice Day)
- Time Life's Sounds Of The Seventies - AM Nuggets
- Madacy's Rock On - 1978 (digitally exactly 1.7 dB louder than AM Nuggets)
- EMI Australia's 5-CD Seventies Complete
- Dominion Germany's 4-CD Disco Fever (bad sound)
- Eric's Hard To Find 45s On CD Vol. 8: Seventies Pop Classics (1.3% too fast, but otherwise the same version as others)
And then there's this CD, which removes the 64 beats from 1:53 to 2:24 (edits on the word "and" at both beginning and end of this segment):- Sessions Presents The Ultimate Party Album (Warner Special Products OPCD-4541, 1992, runs 2:56; L/R channels reversed compared to other CDs)
Anyone know if this edit was released by Scotti Bros. at some point? Promo 45 maybe?
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Sounds like the DJ edit to me as my recreation of the edit runs 2:57.
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Interestingly, the album version of this song (which runs in the 5-minute range) is an edit of the single but edited to be longer. However, the Australian LP where the song originates from was also the single version. So the US LP may be the only place in the world where our "album version" exists. It has never been released on CD, but I edited the single version (from CD) to make the album version.
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Ron and John, yes, it is the short version of the 2:57/3:28 DJ 45.
Edited by Yah Shure on 16 May 2009 at 11:36am
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Hi Crapfromthepast,
Does your 'Ultimate Party Album' contain the TRUE promo 45 edit, which is a REMIX? Cos if it does, I need to track it down, or get a dub.
(The promo 45 edit has a lower-mixed tambourine than the commercial 45.)
Andy
Edited to add 5/17/09:
On new, careful examination I'm now not-so-convinced it was a remix. Very weird thing--my commercial pressing is so distorted in the high end, it appeared to be a very different mix than what I heard on the radio back in '78 (which was ONLY the DJ short version!) The 'Ultimate Party Album' version seems to be similar to the needledrop of the DJ short version that Yah Shure sent me.
Edited by AndrewChouffi on 17 May 2009 at 8:03pm
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crapfromthepast
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An update, just about 6 years after my original post.
The first version to appear on CD was the promo 45 edit, running 2:56 on Session/Warner Special Products' 2-CD The Ultimate Party Album (1992). It sounds nice here.
Bill Inglot unearthed tapes for the proper 45 version for Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 22 (1993), where it runs 3:28. It sounds very nice here. There's a digitally identical clone on:- Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 25 1978 (1997)
The same analog transfer seems to be used for Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 35 AM Nuggets (1993), but this disc reverses the left and right channels and shortens the fade by about 3 seconds. Not good. There are a few discs that are based on the mastering for AM Nuggets, all of which have their left and right channels reversed:- Madacy's Rock On 1978 (1996; digitally exactly 1.7 dB louder)
- Time-Life's 2-CD Seventies Music Explosion Vol. 4 Magic (2005; digitally exactly 3.4 dB louder)
And finally, some outliers that aren't based on the above masterings:- EMI Australia's 5-CD Seventies Complete Vol. 1 (1997) has proper left/right channels but fades a few seconds early
- Eric's Hard To Find 45s On CD Vol. 8 (2002) has proper left/right channels, but runs about 1.3% too fast and has evidence of noise reduction (listen to the whoosh on the fade) - avoid
My recommendation:
For the 45 version, go with Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 22 (1993) or Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 25 1978 (1997).
For the promo 45 edit, you can go with The Ultimate Party Album (1992), which is a pretty uncommon disc, or you can make your own edit from Have A Nice Day Vol. 22:
Segment 1
Extends from 0:00.0 to 1:53.9 of both the commercial 45 version and the promo 45 edit.
Ends on a downbeat in the middle of the word "don't".
Remove the 64 beats from 1:53.9 to 2:24.8 of the commercial 45 version.
Segment 2
Extends from 2:24.8 to 3:32.0 (end; including outro silence) of the commercial 45 version.
Extends from 1:53.9 to 3:01.2 (end; including outro silence) of the promo 45 edit.
Your mixdown will run 2:57 (excluding outro silence), or 3:01.2 (including outro silence), with a single edit at 1:53.9.
(Note that this differs slightly from my instructions above from 6 years ago. These are correct; the older instructions placed the edit too early by one beat.)
Edited by crapfromthepast on 08 May 2015 at 7:04am
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Does the 12" exist anywhere on CD?
Also, does anyone know if there are mix differences on the 12" or is it just the 45 looped?
I can send a copy if anyone needs it as a reference.
-Jeff
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Well, there's the version on the US album - which is longer and a different edit than the 45. So I imagine Pat's database lists all these 3:28 versions as single versions, etc.
The album version only exists on the US LP, and even the original album that came out in Australia first - has the 3:28 version, so the CD release of that album (which was released in Australia only) has just the 3:28 version.
You refer to the 12" version, Fetta, I assume this is the same as the US LP version, but I can't say for sure because I don't have a 12" single.
I did, however, take the 7" version off a CD (probably the Rhino) one and re-create the longer edit (i.e. the US LP version) from the short version. Luckily, that longer recording on the US LP was simply created from the regular (7") version, so it has no parts that can't be found elsewhere.
Edited by EdisonLite on 08 May 2015 at 1:21pm
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Does anyone else notice a glitch in the word "Love" at
approximately 2:46. It is (to me) really noticeable on
the Time Life Sounds of the Seventies series, but I also
notice it on the "Hard to Find" disc (although it is not
as noticeable (2:46 timing on above is from the HTF) cd.
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Ron,
Thanks for the editing update from 2015. I always
thought the edit before didn't sound right so I followed
your instructions from last year. Much better sounding.
Kiefer2 - My copy is from AM Gold. With the DJ edit
created, there is a slight glitch on the word "love" at
2:17. Not sure if Time-Life had a bad source file or if
that was in the original master.
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This was never clarified but I checked on it and U.S. 12"
single contained the U.S LP version so it's the same
"looped" to be extended version, no mixing differences.
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Ron S
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There was a classic Hits CD released and digitally remastered in 2017 featuring
the 45 version of the song.
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Ron S
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I bought a while back Eric's Hard To Find 45s On CD Vol. 8 (2002) and it does
play faster but I was able to find the correct speed and re created the promo
45 version. Thanks for the info on the edit points.
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