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Pat:
Just wanted to bring to your attention that the 3:42 version of Aaliyah's "Back and Forth" listed in the database with a "remix" comment on her Age Ain't Nothing But a Number CD (Jive 41533) is actually the "Mr. Lee & R. Kelly Remix". Since this particular remix appears on DJ CD single copies and is also the B-side track on the cassette single release, I thought this info might be helpful to database subscribers interested in seeking this mix on CD.
Edited by Todd Ireland on 06 July 2009 at 9:31pm
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In another Aaliyah thread, Jim posted the following promo CD info:
Aaliyah-"Back & Forth" (JDJ-42173-2)
1-LP Version (listed & actual 3:51)
2-Mr. Lee & R. Kelly's Remix (listed 3:44; actual 3:43)
3-Mr. Lee's Radio Remix (listed 3:51; actual 3:50)
4-Ms. Mello Radio Mix (listed & actual 3:50)
Aaliyah-"Back & Forth" (CHR Edits) (JDJ-42233-2)
1-No Rap (listed 3:47; actual 3:48)
2-No Rap/No Intro (listed 3:47; actual 3:48)
3-No Rap/No Intro/No Talk (listed 3:47; actual 3:49) **
** - (This is the version we played in 1994.)
4-LP Version (listed & actual 3:51)
In case you are interested in the CHR Edits, here are the details:
- No Rap version is the same as the LP version, except R. Kelly's rap has been removed from the mix from 2:06 to 2:12.
- No Rap/No Intro version removes both the rap at 2:06 and also the talking over the intro ("let me see you go back...let me see you come forth")
- No Rap/No Intro/No Talk version cuts the rap at 2:06, the talking over the intro, and the talk during the choruses ("let me see you back then forth now check it...")
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As has already been established, the album version of Aaliyah's "Back and Forth" was the A-side of the commercial cassette single release and therefore should also be considered the official single version, in my opinion. That said, the cassette single's B-side contains the "Mr. Lee & R. Kelly Remix" (actual run time: 3:43), which received some radio airplay during the song's release. So, should the database also list the remix as appearing on the cassette single?
Ordinarily, my answer to this type of scenario would tilt toward "no", given that a commercial single's A-side is what record labels typically tried to promote. However, I do recall that the "Mr. Lee & R. Kelly Remix" generated airplay on rhythmic-leaning Top 40 stations during the song's chart run and appeared on at least one promo CD single release, as Aaron indicated in the previous post. Also, for Aaliyah's follow-up hit "At Your Best (Your Are Love)", the database currently lists the B-side remixes appearing on that particular cassette single release ("Gangstar Child Remix" and the "Stepper's Ball Remix"). So for consistency purposes, should the same thing be done in the case of "Back and Forth" with the "Mr. Lee & R. Kelly Remix"? Any thoughts?
My first database inquiry on this message board in many years, and I feel like I'm already creating a headache! :-P Granted, trying to sort out the seemingly endless plethora of remixes that flooded the market for many hits from the late '80s through the early 2000s has always been a source of constant heartburn for this community!
Edited by Todd Ireland on 17 January 2024 at 7:28pm
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Todd Ireland wrote:
As has already been established,
the album version of
Aaliyah's "Back and Forth" was the A-side of the
commercial cassette single release and therefore should
also be considered the official single version, in my
opinion. That said, the cassette single's B-side
contains the "Mr. Lee & R. Kelly Remix" (actual run time:
3:43), which received some radio airplay during the
song's release. So, should the database also list the
remix as appearing on the cassette single?
Ordinarily, my answer to this type of scenario would tilt
toward "no", given that a commercial single's A-side is
what record labels typically tried to promote. However,
I do recall that the "Mr. Lee & R. Kelly Remix" generated
airplay on rhythmic-leaning Top 40 stations during the
song's chart run and appeared on at least one promo CD
single release, as Aaron indicated in the previous post.
Also, for Aaliyah's follow-up hit "At Your Best (Your Are
Love)", the database currently lists the B-side remixes
appearing on that particular cassette single release
("Gangstar Child Remix" and the "Stepper's Ball Remix").
So for consistency purposes, should the same thing be
done in the case of "Back and Forth" with the "Mr. Lee &
R. Kelly Remix"? Any thoughts?
My first database inquiry on this message board in many
years, and I feel like I'm already creating a headache!
:-P Granted, trying to sort out the seemingly endless
plethora of remixes that flooded the market for many hits
from the late '80s through the early 2000s has always
been a source of constant heartburn for this community!
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Welcome back Todd, you've been gone far too long! :)
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Thank you, Dave! Good to see you, man!
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Good to see you posting again! I love that you decided to start with Aaliyah. We are now anticipating your posts for Abba and Ace Of Base to follow :)
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Todd I see you are not a current subscriber to the Top 40
Music site. The information you posted has been entered
for some time so please sign up for a membership so that
you can save yourself and myself and the chat board members
a lot of time by you not posting previously updated
information.
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Todd Ireland
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Pat, I just checked my PayPal account and can confirm that I automatically renewed my yearly subscription of $29.95 to you on December 31, 2023, just as I have done each and every year since 2007. (You may have forgotten that "Todd Ireland" is only my user ID handle and not my real name, the latter of which I use for submitting subscription payments.) To verify this, when I log onto my subscriber account and click the VIEW LATEST ENTRIES link, I am currently seeing updates that have been made to the database all the way through yesterday's date, 1/19/24. Also, when I click the VIEW LATEST MODIFICATIONS link, I am presently seeing all updates made through 1/12/2024.
Regardless, it appears that you likely misread or misunderstood my post. I was referring to how the "Mr. Lee & R. Kelly Remix" appears on cassette single copies of Aaliyah's "Back and Forth", but that info isn't currently mentioned in the database. I'm assuming this is because the remix appears on the cassette single's B-side. Right now, the database simply states: "the cassette single runs (3:49) the "LP version". However, immediately preceding that comment, the database does presently state that the "Mr. Lee & R. Kelly Remix" appears on DJ copies of the CD single. Perhaps this is where the misunderstanding occurred and why you thought the information I was referencing regarding the cassette single had already been updated in the database (clearly, it has not).
Again, my question is whether the database should mention that cassette single copies of "Back and Forth" also contain the "Mr. Lee & R. Kelly Remix", given that this mix did receive Top 40 radio airplay and also appears on Aaliyah's parent CD Age Ain't Nothing But a Number (Jive 41533)? I can understand if the reason why there is no database mention of the "Mr. Lee & R. Kelly Remix" appearing on the cassette single is because the remix represents the B-side.
However, if we're going to be consistent, then I'm wondering why the database comment for Aaliyah's follow-up hit "At Your Best (You Are Love)" currently lists the "Gangstar Child Remix" and the "Stepper's Ball Remix" as appearing on its cassette single release, despite the fact that those remixes represent the single's B-side? (I do recall that the "Gangstar Child Remix", in particular, received some Top 40 radio airplay and was used in the song's official music video.) Again, I'm mainly just trying to point out the inconsistency here. As a matter of general policy, should commercial single "B-side" remixes that received significant airplay be mentioned in database comments or not?
Edited by Todd Ireland on 20 January 2024 at 12:25pm
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aaronk wrote:
| Good to see you posting again! I love that you decided to start with Aaliyah. We are now anticipating your posts for Abba and Ace Of Base to follow :) |
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LOL! Actually, I do plan to skip around the alphabet some, particularly to address more pressing items that may be of greater general interest to message board members. But, yes, don't be surprised to see more posts regarding "A" artists in the near future. ;-)
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