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Ok, I'm going to be delving pretty deeply here, so pull up a chair and get comfy...
In a recent discussion I had with Edtop40, he claimed his commercial 45 copy of First Class's "Beach Baby" is different than the version appearing on the Super Hits of the 70's Volume 13 CD (Rhino 70760). I had him e-mail me an mp3 copy of his 45 which is in mono and has an actual run time of 4:54, though Ed tells me the record label states a time of 4:59.
I compared his "Beach Baby" 45 to the one the Super Hits CD which interestingly does run 4:59. It turns out the 45 begins with a synthesizer fade-in, while on the Super Hits disc this fade-in is chopped off and the song instead begins at the point where the kick drums start. Also, the 45 fades out approximately :06 or :07 sooner than the Super Hits CD.
I'm wondering if there are two different commercial 45 pressings of "Beach Baby"? I looked through some photos of the 45 on eBay and have seen the 45 sport two different labels. One label is printed with a black font, while the other has a metallic silver font (both labels have light blue color backgrounds). Ed says his copy contains the metalic silver print. He also reports the matrix number on the runout groove reads: xdr55377 5.6.74 followed by the numbers: 90083, which are etched backward. Meanwhile, the xdr55377 number is also printed on the label.
So, Pat, if I may ask you three questions:
1) Do your DJ and commercial copies of "Beach Baby" really run 4:59, as you state in the 10th edition, or is this just the printed time on the record labels?
2) Does the version of "Beach Baby" on your commercial 45 match my aforementioned description of Ed's 45 copy?
3) Are your DJ and commercial copies in mono or stereo?
Meanwhile, I notice there are several CDs in the 10th edition where "Beach Baby" runs 4:53. Can anyone confirm if any or all of these CDs match the version on Ed's 45, albeit in stereo?
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Yes there are two different 45's of this song floating around. Here is the comment that I have added to the data base:
dj copies of this 45 ran (3:07) and (4:54) even though the label states (4:59); commercial copies were all labeled (4:59) and some ran (4:54) but some ran (3:07)
To answer your specific questions todd, I have the dj copy that states (3:08) and it is in stereo, running (3:07). My commercial copy is mono and states a running time of (4:59) but the actual running time is (4:54). Several readers have written me to say that they have a commercial copy that runs (3:07) even though the label states (4:59) so I am taking their word for this being the case. I do not know if the commercial copy that really runs (3:07) is mono or stereo since as I stated above, I do not have a copy to verify.
Note will be made in the next edition also that none of the 4:59 versions on cd fade in the synthesizer correctly.
Edited by Pat Downey on 24 February 2012 at 7:29am
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Thanks for shedding some light on this, Pat. Now, if I'm understanding correctly, does this mean that none of the "Beach Baby" CD appearances running 4:48-5:03 in the 10th edition have the correct synthesizer fade-in, or is this only the case with the versions that specifically run 4:59?
Also, am I accurate in assuming the version running 3:08 on the Dick Bartley Presents: Collector's Essentials: The 70's CD (Varese Sarabande 5706) is both the DJ edit and the short 45 version?
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The only version of Beach Baby on cd that has the correct fadein is the "Dick Bartley Presents Collectors' Essentials" cd which has replicated the short version (also the dj edit) correctly.
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bringing this thread up front, we discussed the beginning of this song
extensively, however the 4:59 versions, running approx. 5 seconds later than
the 45, should it also be noted as to why? Am I correct in assuming that
these CD versions fade later than the 45, which likely ends before the "radio
sounds" at 4:54? I am hoping this is the case and not a speed variation.
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Moderator wrote:
dj copies of this 45 ran (3:07) and (4:54) even though the label states (4:59); commercial copies were all labeled (4:59) and some ran (4:54) but some ran (3:07) |
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I've never seen a 4:59 promo. Mine's 3:07 (listed 3:08) on both the mono & stereo sides. This is the same as every one I've come across anywhere I've worked too.
Was the 4:59 version perhaps an earlier release?
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Not sure what's happened but the database now states the following general comment for First Class' "Beach Baby":
(dj copies of this 45 ran (3:08) and (4:59); commercial copies were all labeled (4:59) but some ran (3:08))
It was established previously here that commercial copies were all labeled 4:59, but some ran 4:54 while others ran 3:07. Meanwhile, Jim claims his mono commercial 45 copy runs 4:52, not 4:59 as stated on the record label.
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Has anyone seen a dj copy of this record that states a running time of (4:59)?
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does anyone know what the edits or fade out is for the 3:08
dj version of the song?
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Pat Downey wrote:
Has anyone seen a dj copy of this record that
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No, Pat. Both my copy and my own personal experiences match up with
Steve's (Hykker's) exactly.
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Add two more short DJ 45s to the growing pile:
Both of mine are Columbia Terre Haute pressings, but while the deadwax details are the same between the two, the labels are not. One copy has a record number typo on the stereo side (UK 49002) but the correct UK 49022 is shown on the mono side. The stereo and mono designations are just below the star on the right sides of the labels.
The other pressing has an altogether different prefix: 5N 49022 on both sides. The mono and stereo designations are to the left, just above the "promotion copy not for sale" wording.
Edited by Yah Shure on 18 November 2013 at 9:00am
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The long 45 runs 4:54. The short 45 runs 3:07. Both fade in with an organ, then four bass drum hits. Most CD versions omit the organ fade-in, and start on the first bass drum hit.
Short 45 version (3:07)
You have exactly one choice for the short 45 version, and it gets it right: Varese Sarabande's Dick Bartley Presents Collector's Essentials The 70's (1996).
Long 45 version (4:54)
The version on Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 13 (1990) sounds very nice, but it omits the organ fade-in and runs longer than the long 45 version. The same analog transfer is used on:- Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 21 1974 (1996) - digitally exactly 1 dB louder
- Realm's 3-CD Summertime Party Pack (2002)
- Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 31 AM Top Twenty (1993) - left and right channels swapped
- Time-Life's 2-CD Seventies Music Explosion One-Hit Wonders (2005) - differently-EQ'd digital clone of AM Top Twenty and so also has left and right channels swapped
I also have the song on two foreign CDs, both of which omit the organ fade-in and fade a little early compared to the Rhino disc:- EMI Australia's 5-CD Pop Complete (1999)
- Disky UK's 8-CD Wow That Was The 70's (1999)
I reverse-engineered Aaron's recreation of the long 45 version, and I'll post instructions here. This is the first time I'm posting instructions that use pieces from two different CDs.
Segment 1
Ends on what would be the first downbeat after the intro
Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:05.3 of the long 45 version
Extends from 0:01.3 to 0:06.7 of Varese Sarabande's Dick Bartley Presents Collector's Essentials The 70's
Note that the fade-in on the Varese CD is longer than the long 45 fade-in, so we have to remove the first 1.3 seconds of the Varese CD and manually fade it in.
Lower the volume of Segment 1 by 3 dB.
Segment 2
Starts on the first downbeat after the intro
Extends from 0:05.3 to 4:52.9 of the long 45 version
Extends from 0:03.7 to 4:51.3 of Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 13
Fade-in
Manually add a fade-in to the first 0.6 seconds of Segment 1.
Fade-out
Manually add a fade-out to the last 9.6 seconds of Segment 2.
If you don't add the fade-out, the Varese + Rhino pieces will extend 8 seconds longer than the long 45 version.
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How does the long 45 version differ from the LP version? Or is there any?
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Good question. Anyone have the LP?
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I don't, but Discogs has a picture of the LP showing a (5:12) run time.
Edited by sriv94 on 07 March 2017 at 6:42pm
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I don't have the long 45, but do have The First Class LP (UK 53109), where the listed time on the label and the promo sheet taped to the back cover, under the shrink wrap, is 5:17. Actual time is 5:15.
The LP version fades in with a simulation of someone tuning a radio, then a short, transistor radio-quality snippet of the hook fades in ("Beach Baby, Beach Baby, there on the sand") and then fades out as a deejay says, "This is the summer sound of First Class and the record of 'Beach Baby,' yeah, man." The tuning sound - audible through the entire proceedings - continues for another 2.5 seconds, then the first drumbeat begins abruptly, at the point where the version on the HAND CD begins at full volume.
The LP version ends with the deejay patter during the fadeout, just as it does on the HAND CD.
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Has anyone come across a stock copy of
this that plays the short dj edit, in
stereo?
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Only stock copies with the short edit were the mono side
of the promo. Never seen a Stereo stock copy variant of
the 4 copies I've owned, whether long or short, all mono.
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