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I saw on eBay a gray-label reissue of “Feelin’ Stronger Every Day” with
listed time of 2:43. I’ve only seen commercial and promo 45s with
listed times of 4:13, and the database only shows 4:13 listings. Does
the reissue actually have an edit or is this a typo?
Edited by eric_a on 21 January 2018 at 1:55am
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It's a typo.
I have a 2:43-listed red-label Hall Of Fame reissue 45, and "Feelin' Stronger" isn't any weaker than the 4:13 promo 45.
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I have a white label promo copy of this, and both sides list the time as 4:13.
Oddly, both sides are stereo. A little odd not to have one side being mono in
1973, don't you think?
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Tunestony wrote:
A little odd not to have one side being
mono in
1973, don't you think?
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Not really. Most labels were releasing mono/stereo promos
into the 80s.
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Starting with Saturday in the Park, I believe that all Columbia Chicago promo 45s were stereo only, no mono option. I could be wrong though
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Yah Shure
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I have a couple of Columbia promo 45s that were mono/stereo past "Saturday In The Park": 1978's "Alive Again" and "No Tell Lover".
Even some Full Moon/Warner Chicago promo 45s were mono/stereo, including "Love Me Tomorrow" and "What You're Missing", both from 1982.
Agreed, there was nothing at all odd about mono/stereos in 1973.
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I could be incorrect, but I believe a couple of people are misinterpreting Tunestony.
I think he's saying that he felt it was odd there was no mono option in 1973 for the Chicago hit, as there were a lot of powerful/influential monaural radio stations back then!
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Fair enough, Andy. But then why didn't "Saturday In The Park" have a mono option back in 1972?
There were exceptions to just about any perceived promo 45 "norm" during the early '70s, even within any one label's releases. I remember getting several A&M stereo/stereo A/B promo 45s in during 1972 that essentially made you guess which was supposed to be the "A" side, since the label hadn't designated one (a couple of Fairport Convention 45s come to mind, as well as Strawbs' "Benedictus"/"Heavy Disguise".) Lower matrix numbers weren't always a reliable guide, either.
Perhaps the producers or labels felt in particular cases that nothing essential was lost when the stereo channels were combined to mono, and didn't bother to provide a fold-down mono side.
Then again, we're talking about the record business, where there was always something that didn't make sense.
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
I could be incorrect, but I believe a couple of people
are misinterpreting Tunestony.
I think he's saying that he felt it was odd there was no mono option in 1973 for
the Chicago hit, as there were a lot of powerful/influential monaural radio
stations back then!
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Thanks Andy, you are correct. I was saying that I thought it was strange that
there was NOT a mono option on a promo 45 from 1973.
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Yah Shure wrote:
There were exceptions to just about any perceived promo
45 "norm" during the early '70s, even within any one
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Very true, and Columbia was one of the least consistent
labels with promos during that time period. They started
off the decade with most promos being mono/stereo, indeed
in some cases the promo was the only place the stereo
single version existed. Then, inexplicably there'd be a
few promos that were mono only, or different versions,
or, like the aforementioned Chicago songs no mono promo
at all. Columbia (as well as sister label Epic) often
had multiple promos for a given song...as I recall there
were 4 different variations for Redbone's "Come And Get
Your Love".
Finally things more or less sorted out by the mid 70s.
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I'm not so sure it's always a typo. many radio stations,
even in 1973, were wary of records that went much past
3:30. Having a shorter time on the label could trick a GM
or DJ into playing it. This was also at a time when
Chicago was learning to write and record shorter, more
radio-friendly songs, rather than the long jams they were
known for. And, most of the edits of their earlier hits
were terrible.
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Thanks for the correction on some later Chicago mono options, I didn't have those promos. I've looked for mono promos of the Chicago 5-10
singles, I haven't found any. Not sure about Chicago 11. "Hot Streets" as noted had mono options.
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The Hits Man wrote:
I'm not so sure it's always a typo. many radio stations,
even in 1973, were wary of records that went much past
3:30. Having a shorter time on the label could trick a GM or DJ into playing it. This was also at a time when
Chicago was learning to write and record shorter, more
radio-friendly songs, rather than the long jams they were
known for. And, most of the edits of their earlier hits
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Grant, we're discussing a specific reissue 45 here. There is no 2:43 edit of "Feelin' Stronger Every Day." That incorrect 2:43 timing typo didn't appear until the Columbia Hall Of Fame 33255 "Feelin' Stronger..."/"Just You 'N' Me" reissue 45, which - since it didn't exist in 1973 - would have played no part in airplay determination when the song was a hit.
When the original Columbia 45880 single came out in 1973, both the commercial 45 and promo 45 labels stated 4:13. Therefore, no PDs or MDs were tricked (by the timing on the label, that is. Who knows what other promotional chicanery may have transpired?)
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
I could be incorrect, but I believe a couple of people are misinterpreting Tunestony.
I think he's saying that he felt it was odd there was no mono option in 1973 for the Chicago hit, as there were a lot of powerful/influential monaural radio stations back then!
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You are totally correct. I took his comment the same as you and was a bit baffled by the replies folowing..stereo back in 1973? For singles? I completely intrepreted Tunestony's comment as being mono was still one of the big things in 1973, so why just stereo? Thanks for beatng me to the punch..:) !
Edited by Steve Carras on 14 February 2018 at 9:53pm
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Tunestony wrote:
AndrewChouffi wrote:
I could be incorrect, but I believe a couple of people
are misinterpreting Tunestony.
I think he's saying that he felt it was odd there was no mono option in 1973 for
the Chicago hit, as there were a lot of powerful/influential monaural radio
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Thanks Andy, you are correct. I was saying that I thought it was strange that
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Well,I sure was one who didn't misread..Andy and I were the ONLY ones to read your comment as it was meant!!
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Tunestony wrote:
I have a white label promo copy of this, and both sides list the time as 4:13.
Oddly, both sides are stereo. A little odd not to have one side being mono in
1973, don't you think?
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Certainly was. Bell was one of those that still did mono in 1974, their last year (and they had two #1's, Terry Jacks' "Seasons in the Sun" and Barry Manilow's debut and the last for the label,"Mandy", both mono I believe.:)
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Bill Cahill wrote:
Thanks for the correction on some
later Chicago mono options, I didn't have those promos.
I've looked for mono promos of the Chicago 5-10
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I checked thru my Chicago singles, and my findings agree
with John & Bill. Everything after "Saturday In The
Park" and before "Alive Again" were strictly stereo.
Some double-A, some simply white-label versions of the
commercial single and in the case of "Wishing You Were
Here", long/short. Even my 1971 copy of "Questions 67 &
68" is stereo/stereo, though mine is the reservice single
that's in English & Japanese. Not sure about original
issue, though ISTR it being mono.
The return of mono/stereo promos seemed to coincide with
the end of James William Guercio as producer.
I wonder if for whatever reason he was opposed to mono
mixes of their songs.
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The other "Questions 67 and 68" 1971 promo was mono on both sides, with "I'm a Man" in mono on the B side.
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