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Can anyone clarify what the difference between the 1981 45 version is and the 1986 45 version is?
Is the 1981 version on the Greatest Hits or is it the 1986? Thanks in advance...
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I don't have either 45, but if we're comparing the original
1981 version to the 1986 "Pretty In Pink official
soundtrack" version, they are different recordings
altogether.
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Correct, the movie version was a re-recording made just
for the film. The Columbia/Sony Greatest Hits album is the
1981 version.
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MMathews wrote:
Correct, the movie version was a re-recording made just
for the film. The Columbia/Sony Greatest Hits album is the
1981 version.
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Then would the 4:02 from 1986 be on the soundtrack?
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the single version of the 1986 version is
4:02. The lp version is 4:42.
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1981 version (3:59)
The 1981 version was produced by Steve Lillywhite. A big, brassy production, with no click track, so that the tempo varies a bit over the course of the song.
It was released as a 45 in the UK (where it only peaked at UK#43), and was not released as a 45 in the US.
It appeared in the US and the UK on the 1981 LP Talk Talk Talk, where it was the same version as the 1981 UK 45.
It found its way onto the digital world in 1987 when CBS finally released Talk Talk Talk on CD. It was then included on CBS's Psychedelic Furs best-of All Of This And Nothing (1988). I don't have either of those discs.
I do have the 1981 version on:- the rare promo 5-CD box Best Of CMJ 1979-1989 Disc 2 (1989)
- Sony's Big Hits Skinny Ties (1994)
- Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 2 1980-1981 (1999)
- Sony's 2-CD Rock Train Kept A Rollin' (1999) - uses same digital source as Modern Rock
- Sony's cheapie 3-CD Rockin' 80s (2004) - runs faster than other CDs
While I'm willing to bet that Big Hits Skinny Ties, Modern Rock Vol. 2 1980-1981, and Rock Train Kept A Rollin' are likely sourced from the CBS releases of Talk Talk Talk or All Of This And Nothing, I can't confirm. All three of these discs sound very nice.
1986 soundtrack LP version (4:39)
When the movie Pretty In Pink came out in 1986, the song "Pretty In Pink" wasn't available anywhere on CD yet.
The Pretty In Pink soundtrack rerecorded the song from scratch. Not sure why it was rerecorded (maybe because the soundtrack was on A&M and the band was on CBS?), but it was a really solid rerecording. The 45 release in 1986 hit the pop charts but missed the top 40. It's a live drummer playing to a click track, and runs at 132.4 BPM throughout.
It turned up first on A&M's Pretty In Pink soundtrack (1986). It sounds just fine here, but the levels are a little low. There's about 5 dB of headroom. The same analog transfer is used on:- TM Century's track 14263 - differently-EQ'd digital clone, no added noise reduction
- Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 28 Rolling Stone 1986-1987 (1995) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
- Rhino's Hang The DJ 1986 (1996) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
- Sony's Retro Lunchbox Flashback Flix (1998) - differently-EQ'd digital clone, but shows a lot of clipping around -1.5 dB
- Sony Germany's 2-CD Pop And Wave Vol. 8 (1999) - tail of fade is teeny bit shorter than others
The sound quality is very good on all of the above, with nice dynamic range, reasonable EQ, and no evidence of noise reduction. Go with whatever you can find.
1986 US 45 version
I started to reverse-engineer the 1986 45 version, thinking it was an edit of the 1986 soundtrack LP version. But I quickly realized that the 1986 45 ends with a free-form musical portion that has no drums behind it. That portion doesn't exist on the LP version. (More likely is that both originated from the same performance, but the LP fades before it reaches the free-form musical portion.)
I don't think the 1986 45 version exists on CD.
In case I need to return to this at some point, the 45 edits out the 32 beats, downbeat-to-downbeat, from 0:08.0 to 0:22.4, and the 32 beats, downbeat-to-downbeat, from 3:16.5 to 3:31.0, of the LP version, using the Time-Life disc as a source.
(Note: edited to add in the red words above)
Edited by crapfromthepast on 09 September 2021 at 9:55am
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For clarity, just wanted to add some notes that there is an outlier version as well, which is the 1986 Chris Kimsey single mix for the UK, which runs about 3:56 and is an edit of the full Chris Kimsey mix that was
issued on the UK Midnight to Midnight CD in 1987. It's a great version, but can be easily confused for the elusive U.S. 1986 single edit given the similarities in runtime.
No news on the proper U.S. '86 single edit turning up on CD or proper download still!
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The 1986 soundtrack version and the 1986 US 45 version are "Produced by The Psychedelic Furs and Charles Harrowell".
The Psychedelic Furs released the Midnight To Midnight LP in 1986 in the UK and in 1987 in the US.
The US versions of Midnight To Midnight (LP, cassette, and CD) did not include the song "Pretty In Pink".
The UK versions of Midnight To Midnight (LP, cassette, and CD) did include the song "Pretty In Pink". The album gives credits of "Recorded by Charles Harrowell, Produced by Chris Kimsey, Mixed by Chris Kimsey". This version uses the basic tracks of the soundtrack version, but overdubs a whole lot of guitar and is a much denser mix than the soundtrack version.
The UK 45 from 1986 is an edit of the UK Midnight To Midnight LP version. Same credits of "Recorded by Charles Harrowell, Produced by Chris Kimsey, Mixed by Chris Kimsey".
So there are three different mixes out there:- 1981 - Produced by Steve Lillywhite
- 1986 worldwide Pretty In Pink soundtrack and 1986 US 45 versions - Produced by The Psychedelic Furs and Charles Harrowell
- 1986 UK Midnight To Midnight LP and 1986 UK 45 versions - Recorded by Charles Harrowell, Produced by Chris Kimsey, Mixed by Chris Kimsey
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A year ago, I trawled through magazine archives to figure out when the Midnight to Midnight album was released, and came to the conclusion that despite the abundant 1986 copyrights on original releases, the UK & US editions were both released in early 1987. I summarized my findings on the Discogs master release page as follows:
mjb50 wrote:
The LP & cassette were apparently scheduled for a late 1986 release, but were delayed to early 1987. For example, the 1st UK LP (Midnight To Midnight) and MC (Midnight To Midnight) have only ℗ 1986, whereas later copies like Midnight To Midnight and Midnight To Midnight clarify that only "Heartbreak Beat" and "Pretty in Pink" are ℗ 1986, and the other tracks are ℗ 1987.
• UK CD release: 2 Feb 1987 [based on Music Week magazine new albums listing]
• Canada LP/MC release: Jan 1987 [based on A87 date code on LP spine and CBS Canada publicist Valerie Lapp]
• US LP/MC/CD release: 18 Feb 1987 [based on full-page ad in Billboard magazine]
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Anyway, as far as versions of "Pretty in Pink" go, Ron is correct. Here's what I keep on hand in my digital collection:
• "Pretty in Pink" (3:57) – 1981 LP/45 version from the Talk Talk Talk US CD (1987)
• "Pretty in Pink (Berlin Mix)" (6:47) – 1986 12" vocal version, from the Extended 80s UK CD (2014)
• "Pretty in Pink (Dub)" (3:22) – 1986 12" dub version, from DjPaulT's 2020 transfer of the UK 12"
• "Pretty in Pink" (4:39) – 1986 soundtrack LP version, from the Pretty in Pink US soundtrack CD
• "Pretty in Pink" (4:03) – 1986 US 45 version, from my own 2012 transfer of the US 45
• "Pretty in Pink" (3:51) – 1986 UK 45 version, from NOW Yearbook '86 UK CD (2023)
• "Pretty in Pink" (4:11) – 1987 UK LP version, from the Midnight to Midnight UK CD
Edited by mjb50 on 08 January 2024 at 6:17am
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