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sriv94
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Posted: 17 September 2017 at 6:30pm \| IP Logged

So while I'm perusing iTunes looking at the song--Pat's database indicates that the LP version is available on the Firefall CD (where it
runs (3:50)). Yet, the iTunes version of said CD has a (3:36) listed time for the song (which is one second longer than the run time of my 45
version file). Which means the time listed on the iTunes file is wrong, or they used the 45 version (which isn't the first time iTunes has
done this). Yeah, it's a $1.29 investment, but I'd rather it be right if I'm gonna plunk it down. :)

Anyone know what the difference between the two versions is, to see if there's something in the audio sample I possibly could listen for?

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Posted: 17 September 2017 at 8:38pm \| IP Logged

Doug, the intro is shorter on the 45 version (the edit comes six seconds in.)

45 intro runs :28
LP intro runs :37

The final, sustained note is also faded sooner on the 45 version by about eight seconds on the Rhino Greatest Hits CD.

Edited by Yah Shure on 17 September 2017 at 8:50pm

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 5:09am \| IP Logged

There is also a difference in the lyrics...the album
version says "G-d damn girl" where it was changed to "you
damn girl" on the single.
(I'm referring to the original vinyl album here, don't have
the song on CD)

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 5:58am \| IP Logged

Hykker wrote:

Pat says that was only on the promo--stock copies were uncensored.

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 6:11am \| IP Logged

To Hykker:

This is going by memory since I don't own a 45, but I own the original LP:

The 45 is an edit & a different mix (instrument placement within the stereo spectrum).

The censored version has just "...damn girl" no "God" or "You" by my hazy memory from radio airplay.

At least some commercial singles had the "God" in it.

My question to the gallery is were there two different promos, was the mono side of the promo the only censored version, or what?

This is stuff we need to know...

Thanks!

Andy

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 7:50am \| IP Logged

I have DJ 45s from both the Specialty plant (stereo/mono matrix numbers ST-A-33227-1 and A-33227-1, respectively) and PRC (matrix numbers ST-A-33227-2-1-1 and A-33227-2-1-1).

All four sides have the "I said you [guitar strum] damn girl" edit.

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 8:30am \| IP Logged

There's something else that sticks out about this same part of the song. The vocals are split between the left and right channels on the LP version, but are mixed right down the center on the stereo 45 (at least they are on the DJ 45; I don't have the stock 45 to compare.)

The vocals are also centered on the 45 version from the Greatest Hits CD, with one notable exception: the word "god" is lifted from the LP mix, because the centered vocals shift to split-channel stereo on the word "god" and then right back to the center for the remainder of the song.

Is this how it sounds on the uncensored stock 45?

Edited by Yah Shure on 18 September 2017 at 8:31am

eriejwg
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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 9:39am \| IP Logged

Where does the "you" in the uncensored part? It's not in
the uncensored 45 version.

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 12:28pm \| IP Logged

sriv94 wrote:

Pat says that was only on the promo--stock
copies were uncensored.

At least some stock copies were censored...I have one of
them. It's a Monarch pressing, deadwax info: ST-A-33227-3
also (delta)101812. The edit is a John described, you
(strum) damn girl. Vocals are centered.

Edited by Hykker on 18 September 2017 at 12:30pm

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 12:54pm \| IP Logged

John, neither the word "you" nor the guitar strum are present on the uncensored version. Here's how the line is sung on the censored version:

"I-I-I-I saidyou [strum] damn..." (There's no space between "said" and "you.")

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 2:55pm \| IP Logged

I'm stumped on this one. I'm listening to Cinderella
(uncensored 45 version) on the Greatest Hits CD and he
sings "...and I said "G-d damn girl don't ya see..."

I don't hear a "I-I-I-I saidyou (strum).

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 3:16pm \| IP Logged

eriejwg wrote:

I'm stumped on this one. I'm listening to Cinderella (uncensored 45 version) on the Greatest Hits CD and he sings "...and I said "G-d damn girl don't ya see..."

I don't hear a "I-I-I-I saidyou (strum).

Nor should you, John: you're not going to hear the censored portion if you're listening to the uncensored 45 version on Greatest Hits! Let me add more emphasis to what I'd posted just above:

Here's how the line is sung on the censored version:

"I-I-I-I saidyou [strum] damn..."

Mondayitis, perhaps? ;)

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 3:39pm \| IP Logged

Haha, no Monday-I-I-I-I-tis.

What I was getting at was you can't create a true
censored 45 version from the uncensored version because
of the missing "saidyou (strum)."

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 7:51pm \| IP Logged

I've gotta hear this one again!

Does anyone out there have a clean dub of the stereo censored version?

Andy

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 8:07pm \| IP Logged

I second that request.

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 9:02pm \| IP Logged

I'll take a look to see if I have the promo 45 and send a dub if I do have it.

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 9:18pm \| IP Logged

sriv94 wrote:

I second that request.

Done. That'll be $1.29, please. ;)

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Posted: 19 September 2017 at 7:13am \| IP Logged

Yah Shure wrote:

sriv94 wrote:

I second that request.

Done. That'll be $1.29, please. ;)

Bill me in 12 monthly installments. :)

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Posted: 19 September 2017 at 6:19pm \| IP Logged

Sadly, radio now only plays 1 or 2 Firefall songs and
this isn't one of them. I always liked this song and
never really heard it on air after the Spring of 1977.

BTW, Yah Shure's fly in edit was spot on.

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Posted: 20 September 2017 at 9:35pm \| IP Logged

eriejwg wrote:

Sadly, radio now only plays 1 or 2 Firefall songs and this isn't one of them.

Thinking back to your comment from just one day earlier, John: when I heard "Cinderella"'s opening guitar strums on the radio this afternoon, I laughed out loud, then quickly realized I 'd better pay attention to see which version it would be.

Turned out to be the uncensored 45.

In fairness, the classic hits/oldies station in question plays a broader selection than most. But still...

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