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edtop40
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Posted: 20 May 2011 at 10:43am \| IP Logged

my commercial 45 for the garfunkel song "all i know" issued as columbia 45926 states the run time as 3:48 and does indeed run that length....the db states the 45 runs 3:43 which by my findings is inaccurate....the vinyl 45 is identical to the version on the cd below which i own...

(S) (3:47) Columbia 45008 Garfunkel

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Posted: 21 May 2011 at 6:50pm \| IP Logged

Another thing to add and know. The promo single had a SQ Quad mix available on the first promo pressing run. The mix didn't fold well to mono and there was later a mono/stereo promo reserviced to radio.

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Posted: 22 May 2011 at 12:28pm \| IP Logged

KentT wrote:

The promo single had a SQ Quad mix available on the first promo pressing run. The mix didn't fold well to mono and there was later a mono/stereo promo reserviced to radio.

The stereo/longer mono regular DJ 45 was released at the same time as the SQ quad DJ 45, as was mentioned in the promo note which was stapled onto the 45's sleeve. We actually received the regular DJ 45 first, thereby saving this copy from a less-kind fate. :)

Edited by Yah Shure on 22 May 2011 at 12:29pm

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Posted: 23 May 2011 at 9:11am \| IP Logged

Thanks for posting that note. Neat bit of history.

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Posted: 21 May 2013 at 7:58pm \| IP Logged

According to notes I have from Jim, his commercial 45 copy of Garfunkel's "All I Know", which is in stereo, has an actual run time of 3:46 just like on the stereo side of the promo 45 (both have a printed time of 3:48). Ed, when you have a chance, could you please double-check your 45 run time to verify if your pressing does indeed differ by a couple of seconds?

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Posted: 21 May 2013 at 8:41pm \| IP Logged

Although it is already noted in Pat's db, the following fact has not yet been
mentioned in this thread. The mono side of my promo 45 features a different
instrumental ending than either the stereo side of the promo 45/my
commercial 45/the LP version does. To my knowledge, the mono promo 45
is the only source for this unique ending.

Edited by jimct on 21 May 2013 at 8:42pm

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Posted: 22 May 2013 at 3:48am \| IP Logged

The DJ mono ending does not feature the cross fade from orchestra to piano. Instead it keeps going to a point where the orchestra ends and the piano starts. I don't know if the cross fade was created to shorten the ending or for made for artistic reasons. It also sounds like a dedicated mono mix. Maybe they mixed the mono first and then decided to do the cross fade, and forgot to go back and change the ending for the mono version. Or didn't bother. The cross fade version ended up on the stereo 45, the album, and the quad.

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Posted: 22 May 2013 at 8:36am \| IP Logged

I always thought records that did this kind of crossfade ending/coda were genius. I loved it on "All I Know" and also on "Could It Be Magic". (Can anyone think of any other top 40 hits that did this?)

Then, of course, there were records like the album version of "Love Me Tomorrow" where the song faded but the orchestra kept going. I believe Chicago did this more than once. (Maybe "Will You Still Love Me" album version?)

I'm not referring to songs that fade into other songs (like the ending of Chicago's "Hard to Say I'm Sorry"). But true crossfade ending I think are really nice.

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Posted: 22 May 2013 at 9:00am \| IP Logged

To EdisonLite:

While I agree that some crossfaded endings are near-genius, have you heard the original [mono promo] 45 of "All I Know"?

That is perfection.

The crossfaded [stereo] "All I Know" is not on measure, or on beat, where the original [mono promo] is both (and allows for a much stronger resolve).

Andy

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Posted: 22 May 2013 at 9:46am \| IP Logged

I do have the mono promo 45, which I bought just to have the unique ending. I'll have to re-listen. The stereo version may not have been perfect on the beat, but I thought it was artfully done and never felt wrong or off to me.

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Posted: 22 May 2013 at 7:37pm \| IP Logged

paul...i just re-timed my 45 and it runs 3:47 not 3:48 as
previously noted.......it could be 3:48 because the fade
out is long and faint....and my vinyl 45 isn't in the best
of shape...

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Posted: 25 May 2013 at 10:17pm \| IP Logged

Thanks, Ed.

EdisonLite wrote:

Other than the examples you cited, Gordon, the only other Top 40 single containing a crossfade ending/coda that immediately comes to mind is Faith No More's "Epic" (the ending dramatically transitions from a "rap chant" and a crescendo of wailing guitars to a somewhat unsettling piano solo).

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Posted: 26 May 2013 at 1:29am \| IP Logged

....during which the fish flops in the video. I can't
think of the ending of "Epic" without the flopping fish...

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Posted: 13 August 2017 at 7:52pm \| IP Logged

Three points here:

(1) I got to hear the mono promo 45 version, and agree that the ending is far better here than on the commercially-released versions.

(2) I got to hear the version from Columbia's Garfunkel CD from 1988, and found it preferable to all the versions I have on compilations for two reasons. First, the fade on Garfunkel extends for about five seconds longer than any other disc. Second, all the compilation disc versions are digital clones of Time-Life's Superhits Vol. 13 1973 and AM Gold Vol. 3 1973 (both 1992; AM Gold was later repackaged as Superhits), which has its left and right channels swapped. Specifically, the following discs are digital clones of Superhits:

Time-Life's 2-CD Body Talk Vol. 9 Magic Moments (1996) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
Time-Life's Body Talk The Language Of Love (1998) - digitally identical to Body Talk Vol. 9 Magic Moments
Time-Life's 2-CD Singers And Songwriters Vol. 1 1972-1973 (2000) - digitally identical to Superhits
Time-Life's Ultimate Love Songs Collection Almost Paradise (2004) - digitally identical to Body Talk

(3) Spacehog's "In The Meantime" (1996) fades from a loud guitar part to a mellow piano ending. One of my favorite mid-'90s pop songs.

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Posted: 14 August 2017 at 12:22pm \| IP Logged

Does the longer fade from the 1988 Garfunkel CD
match the mono promo, but in stereo?

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Posted: 14 August 2017 at 12:24pm \| IP Logged

The reason I ask is that my copy, in stereo, runs 3:55
and does not sound like a crossfade.

Could someone send me a clean dub of the mono promo so I
could compare?

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Posted: 14 August 2017 at 3:16pm \| IP Logged

John, (Yah Shure), was kind enough to send me a copy of
his mono DJ 45. My stereo version matches the ending of
the 3:55 DJ 45.

What is the source of this longer 3:55 stereo version?

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Posted: 14 August 2017 at 7:36pm \| IP Logged

Good question!

Discogs can help a little bit. Here are the matrix numbers for the 45s in question:

157752 - mono promo 45 version of "All I Know", printed 3:48, actual 3:55
157753 - stereo version of "All I Know", printed 3:48, actual 3:46; appears on promo 45 and commercial 45; this is the version that's available on CD
157754 - stereo version of "Mary Was An Only Child", printed 3:39; appears as B-side of commercial 45; unsure what's actually on the B-side of the SD/QUAD promo 45
157755 - listed on promo 45 of "All I Know" as "SQ*/QUAD", where the asterisk says that is fully compatible and may be played on conventional stereo equipment, printed 3:48, actual ?

Anyone have any more details to fill in?

By the way, the stereo mix of "All I Know" fades the orchestral part starting around 3:13, and crossfades into the piano part, which become audible around 3:18. The mono mix lets the orchestral part run at full volume until its hits a final note at 3:24. In the mono mix, the piano part has its first note coinciding with the final note of the orchestral part, at 3:24. The first few notes of the piano part are hidden by the crossfade in the stereo mix.

Edited by crapfromthepast on 14 August 2017 at 7:38pm

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Posted: 14 August 2017 at 7:46pm \| IP Logged

John, Yah Shure, just dissected the stereo 3:55 file
and, turns out, it doesn't match the mono promo.
Perhaps, someone at some point sent me a DES version?
The mystery continues.

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Posted: 15 August 2017 at 5:07am \| IP Logged

To eriejwg:

Quite a few years ago, a file circulated that combined the missing mono-elements of the promo 45 with the stereo version. The mono passage was cleverly "Shambala"-styled rechanneled to minimize disturbance while listening on headphones.

I don't remember who did it, but I do remember it was somebody from our forum or the BSN forum.

It's very good! It's the only version I have in my laptop for DJ gigs. You possibly have the same custom file!

Andy

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