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According to the database, there are two different DJ edits for Bonnie Tyler's "Total Eclipse of the Heart." One runs (4:43), which has appeared on a handful of CDs; the other runs (4:36).
Does anyone know if the (4:36) DJ version is an early fade of the (4:43) version, or if it is a completely different edit?
Any help is appreciated.
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I hope to finally eliminate all the confusion for this song, once and for all. Despite all of the different listed times, appearing on various promo 45s, I have only ever found TWO actual times on a 45; (4:43) and (5:31). The first promo 45 we got in to the station had a listed (4:29), actual (5:31) length, on both sides. These are the EXACT same listed/actual timings that appear on my commercial 45. The second promo 45 we received has a listed (4:36) version on one side, with (Edited Version) appearing under the title. This (4:36) listed version has an actual time of (4:43). The other side of this second promo 45 has a listed time of (5:21), but it is actually the same (5:31) version that appeared on the first promo/commercial 45. Translation:
-If your 45 states a time of either (4:29) or (5:21), it actually runs (5:31).
-If your 45 states a time of (4:36), it actually runs (4:43).
In conclusion, despite listed 45 times of (4:29), (4:36) and (5:21), which appear on various stock/promo 45s for "Total Eclipse Of The Heart", none of these listed times are accurate, and do not actually exist, on any 45, in any of these lengths.
Edited by jimct on 31 August 2007 at 10:19am
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Thanks jimct. This is one of my favorite songs and I've always wondered why the timings were so mixed up on the 45s. It is a fairly long song, so I wonder if they put the 4:29 timing on there on purpose in an effort to get more stations to program the song(?) Even in 1983, a 5 1/2 minute song was kind of long to hear on the average station.
Oddly enough, the Canadian 45 has no timing listed, but on the Canadian oldie-series single, it was listed as 5:30.
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Jim, you are my promo 45 hero! Excellent information that I'm sure Pat will appreciate for the database as much as I do for my own knowledge, sir.
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To add to this discussion:
I'm pretty sure the "4:29" on the label was done to foster airplay, like the "3:05" on the stock copies of "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'" by the Righteous Brothers. Sure, once it was screened by a PD, he'd have realized he'd been taken, but he would not have rejected the record on length alone. It wouldn't surprise me at all that, unless a record was by one of the hottest acts in America at the time (e.g. The Beatles in the 60s, Elton John in the mid-70s), many long records were thrown on the discard pile without even a listen.
The 4:43 version, by the way, matches the British single version; that edit appears on the earliest U.K. Now That's What I Call Music! LP, released in 1983.
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TimNeely wrote:
I'm pretty sure the "4:29" on the label was done to foster airplay, like the "3:05" on the stock copies of "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'" by the Righteous Brothers. Sure, once it was screened by a PD, he'd have realized he'd been taken, but he would not have rejected the record on length alone. |
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Considering that by 1983 most stations were playing their music off carts, certainly the music director would have noticed that the song was considerably longer than labeled when the 5:00 cart he used recued in mid-song, though as you say if he was carting it up, most likely the decision to add it had already been made. Keep in mind that this was produced by Jim Steinman, who was on a roll around that time, that likely factored into adding the song. As you said, Bonnie wasn't exactly a "must add" act, only having had one previous hit 5 years earlier (and nothing of any significance afterwards either).
The 4:43 version must be quite rare...I've never seen a copy. I have maybe 5 copies of the song, some promo some stock and all are the "4:29" version.
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my commercial 45 issued as columbia 03906 states a run time on the label as 4:29 but actually runs 5:31......in addition, the versions in the db that run 5:33 run 0:02 longer than the 45......if you fade out the last 0:03 from 5:28 to 5:31 you'll be able to replicate the proper 45 version.......my guess is that the 5:25/5:26 running time cd versions fade out prematurely.....can anyone confirm this.....
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This thread is older, and has been discussed in great detail by Jim, although yet again I've been fooled by TM. They state a 'Short Version' listed on GoldDisc 120. The cut (4:30 with silence), and a :07 intro. The fade starts at (4:15), until the audio is silent at (4:25).
I'm wondering if TM faded the (4:43) actual edited version down :18 early. Out of instinct would they want to match the (4:29) listed time on the promo? Just a theory.
Does anyone have a copy of the (4:43) edited version so I may compare?
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It's been a while since I did my comparisons for this song, so I don't have editing instructions handy.
The versions around 6:58 are the LP version from Faster Than The Speed Of Night. I have this on PolyTel Canada's Rock With The '80s (1990), Sony's 2-CD Read The Hits (1994), and Realm's 3-CD Greatest Hits Of '80s Vol. 1 (1995).
The 4:43 promo 45 edit turns up on Time-Life's 2-CD Heart Rock (1988; faded a little early), Columbia's Rock Of The 80's (1988), Columbia's Seems Like Yesterday Vol. 4 (1990), Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 16 The Early '80s (1996; different-EQ'd digital clone of Heart Rock, so fades a little early), and Warner Special Products' 2-CD Touched By Love (1997; same analog transfer as Heart Rock, so fades a little early).
The 5:31 version from the promo and commercial 45s turns up on Sony's 3-CD After The Love (1991; faded a little early), Razor & Tie's 2-CD Forever '80s (1994; sounds very close to After The Love and fades slightly early), Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1983 (1992), Time-Life's 2-CD Body Talk Vol. 1 Forever Yours (1996; differently EQ'd digital clone of Billboard disc), and Rhino's 7-CD Like Omigod box (2002).
There's one more edit that's out there on CD. A version running 4:27 (including outro silence so it's a second or two shorter than 4:27) turns up on EMI UK's 2-CD Now 1983 (1993) and on Madacy's Rock On 1983 Vol. 2 (2005). I don't have specific edit points handy, but I noted to myself that there's an additional edit at the end of the song, compared with the 4:43 version. I suspect that this may be the UK single version, but can't confirm.
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I'd LOVE to know if that 4:27-ish version is the UK edit, or something else... I actually see a couple of references to it in the database. Hm!
Also, it might be worth mentioning that she re-recorded the song for her album "Wings" in 2010. I don't have a copy but have heard it; it is obviously different because of the chorus behind her, her being the only "lead" (singing both parts), and the faster tempo / shorter length. Also, if you thought her vocals were shredded on the original, you won't believe the remake... she sounds like she smoked a case a day for a month, screaming at the top of her lungs every day when she wasn't smoking... yet this even grittier version sounds even more passionate. I like it as an alternative!
Here's some info about it from Wikipedia
Edited by NightAire on 08 June 2017 at 10:51pm
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crapfromthepast wrote:
There's one more edit that's out
there on CD. A version running 4:27 (including
outro silence so it's a second or two shorter than 4:27)
turns up on EMI UK's 2-CD Now 1983 (1993) and on
Madacy's Rock On 1983 Vol. 2 (2005). I don't have
specific edit points handy, but I noted to myself that
there's an additional edit at the end of the song,
compared with the 4:43 version. I suspect that this may
be the UK single version, but can't confirm. |
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Turns out you can't reproduce this odd edit from the
promo 45 version. You can reproduce the major edit by
removing the 20 beats from 3:53.5 and 4:12.1, but you
still need to use a portion of the ending of the
commercial 45.
Based on my experience with the 1993 2-CD Now
sets, I'd guess that it was a custom edit just for this
set, so they could cram 20 tracks on a single CD. I've
seen many, many slightly early fades on these discs, and
a rather drastic custom edit ("Against All Odds").
Still, these discs have superb sound. If you can live
with a few seconds shaved off the end of many songs (and
I know many of us can't), I still highly recommend them.
By the way, this version also turns up on The A-List
Disc 15 (1994). I'd guess that it also appears on
some TM Century disc as well.
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Can anyone help me sort out my confusion?
Upon listening to the various versions of "Total Eclipse...", I seem to determine the following:
The (longer) single version *cannot* be edited from the full-length US album version (unique audio 2/3 way in).
The (shorter) promo single version *can* be edited from the (longer) single version.
The 'Now 1983' version *can only* be edited from having *both* the album version and (either of) the single versions.
Strange.
Can anyone correct me, or otherwise help me wrap my head around this?
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Really? There's another part of "Total Eclipse" that isn't on the long "7 minutes plus" album version? How long is it?
On another Jim Steinman penned song, Celine Dion's "It's All Coming Back to Me Now", it's a similar situation, though not for a promo versio - IIRC, it was the main 45 version. There's a unique, approximately 4-second piece of a ringing echo that can't be found in the album version. Steinman produced by these records - maybe he had a similar idea for this promo version of "Total Eclipse". I'm guessing, in both cases, it wasn't being done for the sake of adding 4 seconds of art, but rather, the edits would have sounded awkward if they didn't have these additional pieces.
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To EdisonLite:
The section is right after the bombastic instrumental organ/synthesizer break. It's actually a few measures of mixing differences that are unique audio. It's hard to explain; you can't just do out-of-sequence edits and make it sound right (organ/synthesizer under vocals would go up & down).
You're right, it's a mix difference to facilitate editing.
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It's easy to create the promo 45 version (4:43) from the commercial 45 version (5:31):
Using the timing from Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1983 (1992), delete 0:46.8 to 1:27.3 (on the word "every"), then fade early from 4:40 to 4:44.
You can't create the Now 1983 edit (4:27) from the commercial 45 version (5:31). At the end of the song, in the slow portion, you'll need to grab the "total eclipse of the hear-ar-art" from the LP version. (The one where the word "heart" has three descending notes.) That repetition was cut out of the commercial 45.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 08 June 2017 at 4:57am
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