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Hard To Find 45s On CD, Vol. 17: Late Sixties Classics
This volume covers 1965-1970. Total of 21 tracks with plenty of new stereo. Street date for this release is Feb. 17th, 2017 but you can order direct at www.ericrecords.com for early delivery. You can also hear sound samples at the Eric Records site.
1. Incense And Peppermints - Strawberry Alarm Clock [Stereo Debut, DES] 1967
2. Psychotic Reaction - The Count Five [Stereo Debut, DES] 1966
3. You're Gonna Miss Me - 13th Floor Elevators [Stereo Debut, DES] 1966
4. Gimme Some Lovin' - Spencer Davis Group [Stereo Debut] 1967
5. The House Of The Rising Sun - Frijid Pink [Stereo 45 Debut] 1970
6. A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders [Stereo Debut] 1965
7. Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band [Stereo Debut, DES] 1966
8. Lil' Red Riding Hood - Sam the Sham & The Pharoahs [Stereo Debut, DES] 1966
9. Little Green Bag - George Baker Selection [Mono 45 Debut] 1970
10. I Live For The Sun - The Sunrays 1965
11. The Pied Piper - Crispian St. Peters (Mono) 1966
12. The Mighty Quinn (Quinn The Eskimo) - Manfred Mann [Stereo Debut] 1968
13. You Were On My Mind - We Five [Stereo 45 Debut] 1965
14. Elusive Butterfly - Bob Lind 1966
15. Indiana Wants Me - R. Dean Taylor [Stereo 45 Debut] 1970
16. One Tin Soldier - The Original Caste (Rare On CD) 1970
17. Color Him Father - The Winstons [Stereo Long 45 Debut] 1969
18. Reflections Of My Life - The Marmalade 1970
19. Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes [Mono 45 Debut] 1965
20. You Don't Have To Say You Love Me - Dusty Springfield 1966
21. MacArthur Park - Richard Harris 1968
Note: Digitally Extracted Stereo (DES) is a technological advance that uses the original mono recording to produce an authentic stereo listening experience.
Edited by Santi Paradoa on 16 February 2017 at 7:27pm
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Mark M (I know you worked on this project) or Santi - can you explain the DES process and how you produce an authentic stereo listening experience from the original mono recording?
And as far as the "stereo debuts" above (that are *not* DES), are they simply stereo debuts to the CD format (i.e. that already existed in stereo on vinyl, or in the vaults from the 60s that were created back then, but that were never released back in the day - kind of like how you find the stereo version of the 80s song "I Melt With You" in the record label's vaults but it was never released on vinyl or CD in the 80s)?
This DES technology sounds intriguing! I wish I could apply it to all my mono records! :)
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Edison - I'll email you about "Digitally Extracted
Stereo" and how it's done. It's bit lengthy for this
forum but short answer is it's done by something called
"spectral editing" and it takes many many hours to do one
song. There are only a few people we know of that know
how to do this effectively. I've tried it and it's too
difficult for me. Most of the DES on our CD's are created
by German engineer Eckhard Büttner (pronouced "Bittner").
Re: the rest of the stereo debuts, we often mean "debut
to CD", but in this case they are debut in any format.
They were mixed from multi-tracks. In two cases we also
had to synchronize into the multi-track some element that
was only recorded direct to the mono single.
And on another topic ... "Color Him Father" is the CD
debut of the first-pressing longer Metromedia 45 version
that runs (3:14). It is stereo and the mix was unique to
this 45. Special thanks to Jim Abbott and John Pratt for
their research and assistance with that one, as well as a
few other tracks.
Lastly, I must say this part. If you like new stereo,
great. If you like those 2 mono single debuts (from
master tapes!) .. great. But folks, if you're even the
slightest fan of "Mac Arthur Park" - you must own
this CD. This is the CD DEBUT of the *original* master
tape, from deep within Iron Mountain. This tape hasn't
been touched since 1973. All CD issues until now,
including imports, are from higher generation tapes that
suffered some damage, and sadly in all cases were laden
with noise reduction. Only owners of original Dunhill LP
pressings know how well this song was recorded. You
should hear every note crystal clear from the famous
Wrecking Crew. Every guitar strum, every sparkly bit of
percussion and every horn note...all open and
dynamic with the lush and full EQ as it was heard
in 1968. And you'll hear some gentle tape hiss too, just
the way it was meant to be - NO NR. Remember the horror
of those early Simon & Garfunkel CD's? Then how great it
was when we finally got to hear the REAL master tapes?
This is that.
Mark M
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Quote:
"Color Him Father" is the CD
debut of the first-pressing longer Metromedia 45
version
that runs (3:14). It is stereo and the mix was unique
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Is this the version with the centered vocals, or the
one where they're panned to one side?
A couple other "version" questions:
18. Reflections Of My Life - The Marmalade 1970
Is this the long version with the instrumental bridge
or the 3:18 radio edit?
And the question on everyone's mind...which version of
"Indiana Wants Me" finally make the cut?
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Nice! I just placed my order.
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MMathews wrote:
| You should hear every note crystal clear from the famous Wrecking Crew. Every guitar strum, every sparkly bit of percussion and every horn note...all open and dynamic with the lush and full EQ as it was heard in 1968. |
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Not to mention being able to actually taste the sweet green icing for the first time! There's none of that El Cheapo artificial vanilla in the recipe, either. The detectable notes of pure Hawaiian cane from the confectioners' sugar are simply beyond divine. While the icing tends to be just a bit on the runny side, it could have been even more so, were the precipitation droplets not imbued with L.A.'s finest acid rain-fortified smog particles.
But hey, you can really taste it. And that bouquet... OMG!
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Hykker wrote:
| And the question on everyone's mind...which version of "Indiana Wants Me" finally make the cut? |
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I've been informed that it will be the shorter "hit" single version running (3:03) minus the siren (this new wide stereo mix comes courtesy of the multi-track). Just a reminder, you can listen to the sample of this track plus the other twenty on the Eric Records site.
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Yah Shure....LOLOL! You are a poet, my friend.
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Hykker, The Winstons is the mix with the vocals centered and almost no reverb on his vocal. That weird "wide" mix was the 2nd pressing and sadly more common 45.
On that second single they bathed his vocal in reverb, moved him to the right channel(??) and made the mix out of phase as well. I'll bet it it sounded horrid on the radio if any DJ's played that pressing.
We wanted the *original* single because several folks who remembered hearing it on the radio told us they remembered it well and the first mix was what they heard - not the "reverby" one.
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I'm in for Little Green Bag in mono 45 version!!
Hoping for the shorter promo of Reflections Of My Life.
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I deleted that high resolution picture from the original post (boy was that huge). For some reason I can't get a small version of the cover to work, so perhaps Mark can add that one when time permits.
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16. One Tin Soldier - The Original Caste (Rare On CD) 1970
IIRC, hasn't every version of this been from clean vinyl? If so, is this from a master tape found somewhere?
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Santi Paradoa wrote:
I've been informed that it will
be the shorter "hit" single version running (3:03)
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MMathews wrote:
Hykker, The
Winstons is the mix with the vocals centered and almost
no reverb on his vocal. That weird "wide" mix was the
2nd pressing and sadly more common 45.
I'll bet it it sounded horrid on the radio if any DJ's
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Cool.
You're right, it did sound horrible on the air in mono
(bad enough in stereo). The promo at the
station I did weekends at in '69 got damaged & they
replaced it with a traded out stock copy. ISTR we
dropped the song the next week 'cuz it sounded so bad.
What ever possessed the label to remix the song so
badly?
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Santi Paradoa wrote:
Hykker wrote:
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the question on everyone's mind...which
version of "Indiana Wants Me" finally make
the cut? |
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I've been informed that
it will be the shorter "hit" single
version running (3:03) minus the siren
(this new wide stereo mix comes courtesy
of the multi-track). Just a reminder, you
can listen to the sample of this track
plus the other twenty on the Eric Records
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Well there goes my chance at hearing the
full version in stereo, as I much prefer
it to the short version.
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Hykker wrote:
[quote]
18. Reflections Of My Life - The Marmalade 1970
Is this the long version with the instrumental bridge
or the 3:18 radio edit?
And the question on everyone's mind...which version of
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Sorry, "Reflections" is the commercial (4:16) version.
Had I thought of it, i'd have asked Bill to request the
DJ edit instead. We were happy to get the song at all,
Sometimes those British hits it can be tough to even get
permission at all.
Sorry, Tom about the short "Indiana Wants Me." Our poll
audience voted more for the short version - which was
good for us because Universal has no (real) stereo for
the full session or long edit. Just the masters you've
heard. I think R. Dean kept most of his original tapes,
if he even saved them at all.
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EdisonLite wrote:
16. One Tin Soldier - The Original Caste (Rare On CD) 1970
IIRC, hasn't every version of this been from clean vinyl? If so, is this from a master tape found somewhere? |
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I'm also curious to hear what was used as a source for this tune. Was it actually one of those master tapes buried in storage for decades?
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