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Got 'em. Thank you very much, Jim!
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Bettye Swann/ Don't Touch Me is in mono. Both of the 45 originals of "Reuben James" I have had have been mono and were Columbia pressings.
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Thanks very much, KentT!
Now all we need is a mono/stereo confirmation for the Unifics' "The Beginning of My End" commercial 45 and we'll have officially completed the 1969 list!
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Don't have the Unifics single, otherwise you would have had information. If I find one, I'll post info. I do a lot of crate digging.
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The Beginning Of My End is Stereo. My copy is Styrene. Nice song, bought this one unheard since I like Soul and R&B and saw a copy.
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Fantastic, KentT! That takes care of 1969!
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Todd, just a quick heads up: You now have "Quentin's Theme" listed under both "Grean" (where it belongs) and under "Randolph"...unless you want it listed twice, then disregard this message.
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No, it should only be listed once. Thanks for the heads-up, Paul.
Edited by Todd Ireland on 03 February 2012 at 1:37pm
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todd...my commercial 45 for the rascals song "a ray of
hope" issued as atlantic 2584 sounds like it's in
mono....can any others that have this 45 confirm my
findings....the run out groove etching is "A 15273 3"
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I figure it's certainly possible there could've been both mono and stereo 45 pressings of "A Ray of Hope". If you want a second opinion, Ed, feel free to e-mail me a dub of your 45 and I'll take a listen.
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My U.S. commercial 45 of "A Ray Of Hope" is also mono. There's a matrix number on the label "A-15273-MO", and I gather that the "MO" is intended to indicate mono. My copy is a "cut-out" (with a drill-hole through the label), which means it may well be a later pressing.
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Thanks, Ed and Paul, for the info. I've gone back and updated the master list accordingly to show that commercial 45 copies of "A Ray of Hope" were issued in both mono and stereo.
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Paul C wrote:
| My U.S. commercial 45 of "A Ray Of Hope" is also mono. There's a matrix number on the label "A-15273-MO", and I gather that the "MO" is intended to indicate mono. My copy is a "cut-out" (with a drill-hole through the label), which means it may well be a later pressing. |
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Paul, the "-MO" suffix on the label stands for Monarch Records, the Los Angeles pressing plant which, for decades, manufactured the Atlantic group's 45s for much of the west coast and southwest US. My mono stock copy is also a Monarch pressing, with a matrix number of A-15273 - 21 (the second "2" is much lighter than the other digits and was probably added later than the others. Monarch's stock 45s were usually styrene, rather than vinyl.
Drill-holed cut-outs were just as likely to be first pressings as later ones if the net result was an unsold 45 at retail. It was one thing for a mom and pop shop to have bought too many of a particular title; the real fun was when a major rack jobber or distributor significantly overestimated how big a given record was going to be. The distributor I worked for at the time thought Kenny Rogers' "Daytime Friends" was going to be a surefire top-5 hit like its predecessor, "Lucille" and bought stock accordingly. I can only imagine how many of those copies were returned and ended up as cut-outs. A lot of them likely never made it out of the distributor's warehouse and into the stores before being shippped back to United Artists.
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jimct wrote:
Todd, I currently don't own any "Don't Touch Me" 45, or a
stock for "The
Beginning Of My End" (just a promo), but here are the other four 1969
stragglers:
-Booker T. & MG's-Mrs. Robinson: (mono; L & A 3:38)
-Isaac Hayes-By The Time I Get To Phoenix: (mono; L 6:45; A 6:46)
-The Way It Used To Be: (mono; L & A 3:09)
-Vogues-No, Not Much (mono; L 2:45; A 3:19)
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Todd, with all the recent 1969 mono 45 findings for "A Ray Of Hope", I
just went and pulled/double-checked my 45 copy, assuming I was the
one who gave you the original "stereo 45" finding. But I hadn't - it turns
out I'd only "filled in a few stragglers" for your '68 & '69 project years (as
evidenced earlier in this thread), before jumping in "full force" with you to
co-document 1970-71-72-73-74 & 75. My "A Ray Of Hope" 45 says
"mono" right on the Post-It note I stick on all my 45s, containing song
particulars (deadwax A-15273 - 5). So I don't know where you
initially obtained your "stereo stock 45" info for this song, but you
may want to go over/double-check your original notes for it.
Edited by jimct on 01 April 2012 at 8:38pm
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Jim:
For the Rascals/Young Rascals 45s, I consulted an outstanding website put together by a very dedicated Rascals aficionado who meticulously documents every one of the band's single and album releases:
The Rascals Archives
I re-checked it and found that he reports "A Ray of Hope" as being issued in mono with no mention of any stereo pressings. Therefore, in light of all the overwhelming evidence being brought forward here that supports this, I am now revising the master list to show 45 pressings of "A Ray of Hope" as only appearing in mono.
Thanks for the bringing this to my attention, gentlemen!
Edited by Todd Ireland on 01 April 2012 at 8:54pm
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As was discussed earlier, some stock copies of Gitarzan by Ray Stevens were issued in stereo utilizing the stamper from the stereo side of the mono/stereo promo 45. I wonder if there might also be some stereo copies of The Chokin' Kind by Joe Simon (Sound Stage 7 SS7-2628) issued in the same way, as I picked up a mono/stereo vinyl promo of the Joe Simon 45 at a record show earlier today, where I also saw (but did not purchase) another promo copy that was mono and had the mono B side on that promo, which is how some promo copies of Gitarzan were also issued. Handwritten matrix numbers on the stereo side are S-738 and about 1/4 turn of the disc later is the number 125. The mono side of the 45 has a lot more deadwax info, handwritten on one side of the disc is S-738-1-A and directly across from it on the other side of the disc is handwritten 125, a B with a circle around it, and machine stamped MUSIC CITY. Since this 45 was on a subsidiary of Monument records, who put out the Ray Stevens 45, it seems to me it would be likely that there would have been some stereo stock copies pressed...has anyone got one to confirm?
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All 5 copies I own of "The Chokin" Kind" on Joe Simon are mono. 3 copies are styrene pressings, 2 are on vinyl. All have the same deadwax.
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"Spinning Wheel" by BS&T is a case of a replaced part
(the instr.break, replaced with a shorter guitar break
without the brassy jazzy part) for the 45 rpm single
release. Likewise "Crimson and Clover", by
James/Shondells when that retro-edited-up LP version
came out in 1969. The second throbbing (for lack of a
better term!!) guitar break was replaced with that
trippy longer one.
Edited by Steve Carras on 25 November 2014 at 2:59pm
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my commercial 45 for the thunderclap newman song 'something
in the air' issued as track 2656 contains the mono
version on one side and the stereo version on the
other.....in this 1969 mono/stereo 45 thread says the 45
was originally issued in stereo.....which was the A-
side?....the mono or stereo version?.....the run out groove
info on the mono side is 'A-17283-1' and on the stereo side
it's 'ST-A-17283'...
Edited by edtop40 on 25 November 2014 at 3:43pm
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I'd like to see label scans of your stock copy, Ed.
All of the stock copies I've had were stereo and had
Wilhemina on the B side. My promotional copies have all
been mono, with the stock B side as well.
The first time I've encountered a 45 with the song on
both sides, one being mono and one being stereo, was on
the 1970 reissue (promotional 45 only), Track 2769. The
stock issue of Track 2769 had I See It All on the B
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