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has anyone tried to do a reverse fade on this to see if the
cd versions can be faded-in to match the vinyl 45?
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Ed, I feel like you here. You're always the one asking, "What does *****
mean?" after someone uses a somewhat obscure term. Ed, what's a "reverse
fade?" All LP/CD versions are both shorter than the 45 is and fade out,
whereas the 45 is both longer and ends cold. The 45 contains unique audio.
What exactly are you asking here?
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i just listened to the vinyl 45 versus the cd version from
"super hits of the 70's" and the cd version fades out while
the vinyl version does not and ends cold; counter to what
usually is the case....so the question i have is.....can
any of our resident experts fade the cd version IN during
the last 0:12 or so seconds of the song, increasing the
fade to be at full volume to match the vinyl 45.....i hope
i explained it properly....i know the issue with amplifying
songs' volume is that you'll also increase the inherent
tape hiss
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This can't really be done with good results. I think the CD versions are all too quiet at the end, and I'm not even sure if the full ending is in tact on any of them. (I could be wrong about this.) Either way, there would be so much tape hiss that it just wouldn't sound good.
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By the way, Jim, I'm not sure if there is a technical term for this, other than perhaps "amplify," but I knew what Ed was trying to accomplish by "reverse fade." This is how you can get the proper 45 fade on "American Storm," which was recently discussed in another thread. Sometimes it does work, but only if the music level is still a good amount louder than the tape hiss.
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Not to go off topic here..... but Aaron, have you done that "reverse fade" for "American Storm" yet....... My attempt was horrific...lol.
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Exactly. I never attempted to do so on "Neanderthal Man" because it would the hiss would have sounded just as bad as if I'd tried pasting on the ending of my crackle-infested Capitol 45.
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Yah Shure wrote:
| Exactly. I never attempted to do so on "Neanderthal Man" because it would the hiss would have sounded just as bad as if I'd tried pasting on the ending of my crackle-infested Capitol 45. |
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I'm attempting to paste on the ending right now. Not only is it a crackle-fest, but the EQ is drastically different than what's on the HAND CD. Furthermore, a fold-down of the stereo doesn't quite match the mono, but it's really close.
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Did a little digging on this last night and found two import CD's that contains what I think is the 45 version with the cold ending....
The first one is
http://www.amazon.com/Very-Best-10cc/dp/B0020FQTL2/ref=sr_1_ 7?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1335270486&sr=1-7
The second one is called "True 70s".
They are both available on 7digital UK.
If anyone is interested in comparing, i can send the MP3 that I purchased from 7digial. Unfortunately, it is not lossless.
-Jeff
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Jeff, that would be great! Thanks!
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Any one pick up the 2012 import of "You Didn't Like It Because You Didn't Think of It"? A listed bonus track is 'Neanderthal Man' alternate U.S. mix.
The mono single version perhaps?
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Yah Shure wrote:
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What is it with Capitol 45s of that era...there are a lot of really noisy pressings. This pre-dated the energy crisis, so it seems odd they'd use regrind.
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Hykker wrote:
| What is it with Capitol 45s of that era...there are a lot of really noisy pressings. This pre-dated the energy crisis, so it seems odd they'd use regrind. |
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I read somewhere at the time ('70-'71) where someone at Capitol realized they could save money by extending the service life of the stampers used to press their 45s and LPs. This was accomplished by coating each stamper with chromium.
There was just one problem: the chromium developed cracks, which resulted in noiser and noisier vinyl output the longer the stampers were pressed into service, so to speak. This would seem to explain why the first copies pressed from the stampers at the Los Angeles plant - the DJ 45s - were typically much quieter than many stock copies.
But I think the real culprit was a lack of quality control during the pressing process, resulting in "overbaked" plastic characterized by a set of crackles appearing at the same spot with each revolution of the record. Some of the Jacksonville-pressed 45s I special-ordered in '73-'74 - Renaissance's "Carpet Of The Sun" (Capitol 3715) and Marmalade's "(Your Wish Is In) The Wishing Well" (EMI 3676) - were just as noisy as "Neanderthal Man," in spite of probably having been pressed in quantities of only a couple hundred at the Jacksonville plant. The Marmalade record, with a quiet, acoustic first half, was basically useless, not to mention unreturnable, as were all special orders. And yet the DJ 45 at my college station had been perfectly quiet.
Scranton... Jacksonville... Winchester... all of those plants produced their share of crackling bonfires passed off as 45s during the '70s (not sure about L.A.; its stock didn't make it to the midwest often enough to judge.) Capitol just didn't care.
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It's funny that record companies didn't care about crackly 45s back then
and don't seem to care about brickwalled, distorted, and/or lossy audio
for their releases today.
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Indy:
A poster on BSN says he just got that new import disc you mention and
both versions of "Neanderthal Man" included on the CD are stereo and
both fade (no cold ending).
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paul was kind enough to send me a file off the 'true 70's'
cd that fetta referenced above and i can confirm it
contains the true full volume 45 version on it....thx paul
for sending!!!!
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Wow.. this is interesting. I have the song on mp3..it's faded..
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