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Thanks for this great new forum, Pat. I received my copy
of the 10th edition of your book on Monday the 4th. It's
the first one I've ever bought, and I must say, I'm
amazed at all the details! I'm a big fan of '70s and '80s
music in general, so this huge book will definitely come
in handy. Now, if only it could ever be expanded to
include all songs that made the top 100, and not just the
top 40! I know, just a dream... (*sigh*)
Although I've had only about 9 days to absorb it so far,
here's a list of additions/corrections I'd like to
contribute:
pg. 339: You seem to make the effort to always point out
when song titles differ either slightly or completely on
the original 45 vs. the albums, which I do find helpful.
(Examples you note include Alice Cooper's 1975 single,
"Only Women", which was titled "Only Women Bleed" on the
album; and how the Jacksons' 1981 hit, "Heartbreak
Hotel", is now known as "This Place Hotel".) Therefore, I
feel it should also be noted in future editions that
Earth, Wind & Fire's 1979 hit was titled "After the Love
HAS Gone" on the single, while for reasons I've never
understood, on albums it was worded "After the Love IS
Gone" (at least in many cases, but perhaps not all)...
pgs. 477 & 1255: Greg Guidry's first name misspelled (I
have the album w/ his 1982 hit, "Goin' Down", on
cassette)...
pg. 978: Timothy B. Schmit's 1987 hit, "Boys Night Out",
is listed as never appearing on any U.S. CD to date, and
is also flagged as such in the "Song Title Index" (pg.
1242). I'm 99% certain that isn't true, as the song's
1987 parent album did originally come out on CD in the
U.S. on MCA. I actually own the U.S. cassette version,
and while I don't have the CD, I know I've seen it in my
many travels to used record stores in the past. And sure
enough, in double-checking my many old "Schwann" catalogs
from the late '80s and early '90s, they do indeed list
the album as being available on CD at that time (label &
no. being MCA MCAD-42049). According to "Schwann", it
remained in print until 1990-91. So while "Boys Night
Out" probably hasn't been available on CD in well over a
decade, it does exist...
BTW, there were actually two different pressings of
Schmit's album in the U.S.: Original copies of the
LP/cassette/CD gave the artist & title as simply "Timothy
B"; MCA evidently felt that was too ambiguous and thus
had second thoughts, so later pressings had the
artist/title changed to his full name, "Timothy B.
Schmit". I have both versions on cassette, and there's no
doubt in my mind that the same was done w/ the CD, so
that is also probably worth noting in the book...
pg. 1036: You state that dj copies of Rick Springfield's
1981 hit, "I've Done Everything for You", ran (2:42) and
(3:16), but that "commercial copies were all (2:42)". Not
true on the latter. The story: When the single was first
released in January of '81, both dj & commercial copies
contained the (3:16) album version. However, when the
song completely flopped and failed to chart in both
"Billboard" and "Cash Box", RCA then decided to
rush-release "Jessie's Girl" as the second single from
Springfield's album, "Working Class Dog" (note that the
catalog no. of "12166" on "IDEFY" precedes that of
"12201" assigned to "JG"). Well, we all know what
happened to "JG" - it shot straight to #1 in both
"Billboard" and "Cash Box" in the Summer of '81. As a
follow-up, RCA then elected to re-promote "IDEFY" in
August of '81 (and w/ the same "12166" catalog no.).
Thanks to the success of "JG", "IDEFY" hit the top 10 in
both "Billboard" and "Cash Box" the second time around.
But during that re-promotion, both dj & commercial copies
of the single contained the (2:42) edit. Consequently,
commercial (and even dj) copies of the original pressing
w/ the (3:16) album version are quite rare, while those
w/ the (2:42) edit are literally a dime a dozen. I own dj
copies of both versions myself, as well as the commercial
version w/ the (2:42) edit. And while I've yet to track
down a commercial copy w/ the (3:16) album version, I
know a fellow collector who claims to have one. Frankly,
I was quite impressed that you knew that dj copies w/ the
(3:16) version even existed, as I've never seen it
documented before in any other price or collector's
guides w/ entries/discographies on Springfield...
pg. 1037: You also seem to note whenever a single's
actual running time differs from that which is printed on
the label of the 45 itself, which I again find quite
useful. (While I've always known that happened quite a
bit over the years, I didn't realize just how rampant the
practice/problem was until I recently received your
book!) Well, you can also add Rick Springfield's 1983
hit, "Human Touch", to the list. As your book correctly
notes, the "45 version" typically runs (3:52)-(3:54) on
CD; that's because the single version actually does clock
in at (3:54). But check the label on your 45 (which I
have as well) - you'll find it states a ru
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Oops! Seems the very last part of my post above was cut
off - here's the rest of it...
But check the label on your 45 (which I have as well) -
you'll find it states a running time of only (3:45)...
Okay, getting a little lengthy here. Over & out, lol.
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Thanks for the very informative post - this is the type of informational exchange I hope we can promote on this chat board. I agree with almost everything you said and I wish to add that yes, Earth , Wind & Fire's single of "After The Love Has Gone" bore that title while the "I Am" vinyl LP bore the title "After The Love Is Gone". Now when the cd of "I Am" was issued, the title reverted back to "After The Love Has Gone".
I will keep checking on the US issue of the Timothy B. Schmit cd titled "Timothy B". Do any other forum members have this US issue?
Now with regard to "I've Done Everything For You", I have the dj copy of the 3:16 version and the commercial copy of the 2:42 version. I also have an extra unplayed copy of the dj 3:16 version which I would be happy to trade anyone for either the 3:16 commercial copy or the 2:42 dj copy.
Again, thanks for this very informational post!
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Hey, all!
First off, Pat, I want to say that I really like your website idea so far and think it will be a terrific resource once things really get rolling. I look forward to being a frequent contributor on this board.
Second, I do happen to own a copy of Timothy B. Schmit's Timothy B. CD, which was released here in the U.S. by MCA in 1987 under catalog #MCAD-42049. It does indeed contain "Boys Night Out" and I carefully clocked the track's run time at 4:34. There's also another CD release containing "Boys Night Out" that's not accounted for in Top 40 Music on Compact Disc. You can find the track on the various artist compilation Rock On 1987: Everybody Have Fun Tonight, released by Madacy (catalog #5187) in 1998. I don't own this CD, but allmusic.com lists the run time at 4:36. Joel Whitburn lists the 45 version run time at 3:58 in his Pop Annual 1955-1999 publication, so it appears the two CD appearances of "Boys Night Out" so far are both the LP version. I should note that the Rock On 1987: Everybody Have Fun Tonight CD is not to be confused with the similarly titled Rock On 1987 compilation that Madacy issued in 1996 (catalog #9787), which features a completely different track lineup.
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I will take your word for the Timothy Schmit cd and go ahead and enter that information in the next edition of Top 40 Music On CD.
With regard to Madacy cd's, I have been undecided for years whether to include them in my book because most of their cd's give a Canada address, indicating therefore that they are imported. I did include the series simply titled "Rock On" in the book because the address on the back was listed as being in Springfield, NJ. They have also been unwilling to send me any review copies of their product so I finally decided to call Madacy cd's an import.
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Thanks for the very positive response, Pat. Sounds like
typing up my initial post was well worth the effort!
Some follow-up comments to the replies above:
EARTH, WIND & FIRE: Ever since I started buying music
more than 20 years ago, I've always enjoyed V/A
compilations of hits from the '70s and '80s (K-tel or
Ronco, anyone???); at this time, I must have a couple
thousand! Most of the collections are on cassette,
though, not to mention long OOP - very few have since
been re-issued on CD. At any rate, nearly a dozen of the
ones I own include the 1979 EWF hit in question. I can
tell you that CBS/Sony as well as the other labels that
have licensed the track from them have often flip-flopped
on the wording of "After the Love Has Gone"; it's not
just the original pressings of the group's "I Am" album
(which I do have the cassette version of) that show it as
"...Is Gone". Therefore, I'm sure a complete check of the
CD compilations listed on pgs. 339-340 of your book will
reveal a mix of the wording for the song as well. Just
some additional trivia...
RICK SPRINGFIELD: I do, in fact, own TWO copies of the
yellow label dj version of the "I've Done Everything for
You" 45 w/ the (2:42) edit on RCA JH-12166 (A-side is
stereo; B-side is mono). Both are nearly pristine and
appear to be unplayed; one is in a picture sleeve
(identical to those included w/ the commercial version),
while the other is in just a plain white sleeve. I'm
willing to part w/ the one in the generic sleeve. And
while I admit that swapping it for a dj copy w/ the
(3:16) album version is tempting, I also happen to have
two copies of that one myself (although one of them
grades only about VG, but the other is Mint and appears
unplayed, like yours). However, I, too, would love to get
my hands on a COMMERCIAL copy w/ the (3:16) album
version, as that is the only one I'm missing - if you
should locate more than one, I'll trade you for one of
those in a heartbeat! (My $64 question: Did the original
pre-"Jessie's Girl" pressings of the "IDEFY" 45 w/ the
[3:16] album version come in a picture sleeve, or just
the post-"JG" ones w/ the [2:42] edit???) There are some
other (earlier) Springfield 45s - although they weren't
chart hits - that I'd also be more than willing to swap
my extra (2:42) dj copy for, so we might be able to work
out something that way as well...
TIMOTHY B. SCHMIT: Thanks, Todd, for the confirmation - I
knew I wasn't crazy, lol. Sounds like your CD is a first
pressing w/ just the "Timothy B" artist/title credit,
eh???
MADACY CDs: As a fan of V/A compilations, I've often
looked at them in stores, and have also noticed the
Canada address, so I know what you mean, Pat. I've always
been a bit confused as to their origin as well, yet they
seem to be almost everywhere here in the U.S. In fact,
their questionable/unknown origin is one of the things
that has made me a bit leery of them, so to this day,
I've never bought one. That's not to say I wouldn't be
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Hmmm, got cut off again! Here's the rest...
That's not to say I wouldn't be tempted if I just knew
more about them, though..
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I have an interesting follow-up to post regarding the
various 45 pressings of Rick Springfield's 1981 hit,
"I've Done Everything for You"...
This past weekend, I was on a trip to the Miami area, and
of course had to check out some used record stores while
down there. :-) Lo & behold, after roughly two years of
searching, I finally stumbled across a black-label U.S.
commercial copy of "IDEFY" on RCA PB-12166, labeled as
featuring the (3:16) album version. While it was clearly
a filler copy (both the picture sleeve and the 45 itself
have seen better days), after finding dozens & dozens of
copies w/ the (2:42) edit, I wasn't going to pass it up
for just $1.00...
So after arriving back home, I stuck the 45 on the ol'
turntable, just to make sure it was the real deal. (To be
honest, I've never been a huge collector of vinyl, and if
there's one thing Pat's book & this chat board has taught
me, it's NOT to trust the timings printed on the center
labels!) Well, much to my shock, despite being clearly
labeled "3:16", I could tell from listening to the song
that it was actually the single edit! :-( Just to be sure
my mind wasn't playing tricks on me, I played it again,
using a stopwatch - sure enough, it's really the (2:42)
edit!
Upon discovering the erroneous timing printed on my
commercial copy, I then went ahead and pulled out all
three of my yellow-label dj copies of "IDEFY" that are
also labeled "3:16". (Yep, I've added one more of those
to my collection since my post of 20 October 2004 above.)
I played both the stereo & mono sides of all three, and
all three of my dj copies do indeed contain the full
(3:16) album version, as labeled (I assume both of your
copies do, too, Pat)...
So commercial 45s of "IDEFY" LABELED "3:16" do indeed
exist (and I feel it's still safe to say they are the
much rarer pre-"Jessie's Girl" pressings), but whether or
not any commercial copies actually PLAY that version
remains to be seen. My search goes on
(*sigh*)...
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80smusicfreak:
I came across a similar situation recently with REO Speedwagon's "Keep on Loving You" and discussed it in depth elsewhere on this message board. To refresh everyone's memory, I found a blue label vinyl 45 copy with a printed run time of 4:39 even though Pat reports in the 10th edition that commercial copies state a time of 4:54 on the label. After sending Pat my copy, he determined the 45s both actually run 4:46... the only difference is that two different labels were made for this 45, one stating (4:39) and one stating (4:54). Otherwise they were exactly the same, right down to the matrix number printed on the runout groove.
Could we have the same case here with the Rick Springfield "I'd Do Anything for You" 45s?
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Todd Ireland wrote:
80smusicfreak:
I came across a similar situation recently with REO
Speedwagon's "Keep on Loving You" and discussed it in
depth elsewhere on this message board. To refresh
everyone's memory, I found a blue label vinyl 45 copy
with a printed run time of 4:39 even though Pat reports
in the 10th edition that commercial copies state a time
of 4:54 on the label. After sending Pat my copy, he
determined the 45s both actually run 4:46... the only
difference is that two different labels were made for
this 45, one stating (4:39) and one stating (4:54).
Otherwise they were exactly the same, right down to the
matrix number printed on the runout groove.
Could we have the same case here with the Rick
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That REO Speedwagon 45 that you found was actually for
"Can't Fight This Feeling", was it not, Todd???
Either way, I don't think it is the same case w/ Rick
Springfield's "I've Done Everything for You", and here's
why: As I detailed in my original post above, "IDEFY" was
released (promoted) twice by RCA - first in January of
'81 (when it flopped, pre-"Jessie's Girl"), and again in
August of '81 (when it hit the top 10, post-"Jessie's
Girl"). That's why two different (confirmed) yellow-label
dj pressings exist for that single, the originals
featuring the (3:16) album version, and the second
pressings having the (2:42) edit. But because "IDEFY"
stiffed the first time out, black-label commercial copies
that actually PLAY the (3:16) album version are very
scarce. And although the one I just found in FL plays the
(2:42) edit, the fact that the label reads "3:16" leads
me to believe that commercial copies pressed w/ the
full-length album version must exist. I suspect what
happened was that when RCA went back to re-promote
"IDEFY" in the Summer of '81, they still had some of the
original "3:16" labels on hand, and simply slapped them
on the first runs of the new (2:42) pressings (the B-side
remained unchanged), and that is one of the ones I just
found (much to my disappointment upon playing it)...
To the best of my knowledge, Epic never had to promote
REO Speedwagon's "Can't Fight This Feeling" more than
once in order to turn it into a top 10 hit, so the fact
that two different 45 labels exist for that one (and
neither being correct!) tells me that most likely the
left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing at
the label...
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Yes, it was "Can't Fight This Feeling", not "Keep on Loving You". My mistake.
One way you can verify if your two black vinyl commercial 45 copies of "I've Done Everything for You" are from the same pressing is to check the matrix number etched in the runout groove on each 45. If the matrix numbers are identical, then they were probably made from the same post-"Jessie's Girl" pressing, as you suggest, even though the sticker labels are different. But if the matrix numbers are different then, unless there was yet another pressing somewhere along the line, it may be that a commercial 45 version of "I've Done Everything for You" actually running 3:16 never existed.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
One way you can verify if your two
black vinyl commercial 45 copies of "I've Done Everything
for You" are from the same pressing is to check the
matrix number etched in the runout groove on each 45. If
the matrix numbers are identical, then they were probably
made from the same post-"Jessie's Girl" pressing, as you
suggest, even though the sticker labels are different.
But if the matrix numbers are different then, unless
there was yet another pressing somewhere along the line,
it may be that a commercial 45 version of "I've Done
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Good point, Todd, but in this case, it seems that still
doesn't solve anything - I just checked, and I have a
total of *four* black-label commercial copies of "I've
Done Everything for You" that play the (2:42) edit (three
correctly labeled "2:42", one erroneously labeled
"3:16"). The matrix numbers on the three correctly
labeled "2:42" are as follows: two read "PB-12166-A-10S"
(B-side: "PB-12166-B-1S"), while one reads
"PB-12166-A-14S" (B-side: "PB-12166-B-4S"). Meanwhile,
the one I just found that is erroneously labeled "3:16"
reads "PB-12166-A-15S" (B-side: "PB-12166-B-4S"). So
that's at least three different matrix numbers for the
A-side, and two for the B-side. Frankly, I don't know
what to make of that, other than to conclude that matrix
numbers don't always provide the answers,
lol...
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I'm not sure if the 10th edition made this correction or not, but in my 8th edition, John Cougar's "Ain't Even Done With The Night" is listed as LP Version. I A/B the LP Version with the 45, and it appears that the 45 is just an early fade. Unless someone can point out a difference in the mix, the book should list LP Length for this song.
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Again, all I have is the 8th Edition to reference, but INXS "New Sensation" does not distinguish between the 45 and LP versions. Although the run times are the same, the 45 used a remix with more of a dance beat. The 45 version is available Rhino 75977 MTV The First 1000 Years - Rock.
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Thanks for the tip, Aaron. Does anyone know if the 45 version of "New Sensation" has appeared on any other CDs to date?
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Aaron - I just pulled out my dj copy of "New Sensation" and sure enough, one side says LP version and the other says remix edit. Now my copy of the cd MTV The First 1000 Years does not feature the remix edit so there must be two pressings of that cd.
The question is, which version was released as the commercial single (which I obviously do not have). The listed time on the dj 45 for the remix edit is 3:40 and the time listed for the LP version side is 3:38. Whitburn lists the running time as 3:38 which leads me to believe the commercial single featured the LP version, so does anyone out there have the commercial 45 to verify whether the remix was issued to the public?
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The matrix number on my First 1000 Years - Rock is Y9650 3 R2 75977-2 01 M1S1. It's definitely the "remix edit" running 3:40. I had a dub of my friend's 45, and his copy has the "remix edit" but I cannot say with 100% certainty that it wasn't a DJ copy, since he also works in radio. I guess I may have assumed too quickly that he loaned me a commercial 45, which is why I always thought the 45 version was the remix.
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I did an A/B comparison of Cameo - Candy, using 20th Century Masters (which according to the book has the 45 version) and the Word Up LP Version. It appears that the 45 Version is an early fade of the LP Version, so the book should actually read "45 Length" and "LP Length."
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The matrix number on my "First 1000 Years - Rock" is the same as yours Aaron except my copy says *M2S3 rather than the M1S1 stamped on yours.
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Aaron mentions that "Ain't Even Done With the Night" has a 45 length & LP length. The database only lists the LP length. What is the 45 length?
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