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Don't know how I missed this post from December 15th from mastering engineer Steve Hoffman over on his website. Gary Lewis & The Playboys' complete MONO Liberty 45 versions from Collector's Choice, A and B sides of every single, just like their Jan and Dean set. Very exciting news!
Steve Hoffman wrote:
Some projects just tickle me to work on and this will be one of them. To be released on CCM (thanks to Gordon Anderson) and produced by Ed Osborne (who did the wonderful JAN & DEAN, TOMMY JAMES sets and was the RCA-Victor/BMG liaison to DCC on the ELVIS disks we did). Ed asked me to help out and I am delighted to do so.
This will be produced from the original 45 RPM HIT mixes, probably all untouched for 40 years. Gary Lewis fans, you've waited a lot of years to get these, eh? Won't be long now! To be compiled and mastered at Capitol/EMI Tower Mastering.
Collector's Choice Music presents:
GARY LEWIS & THE PLAYBOYS
COMPLETE LIBERTY SINGLES
1A THIS DIAMOND RING
1B HARD TO FIND
1B TIJUANA WEDDING
2A COUNT ME IN
2B LITTLE MISS GO-GO
DOIN' THE FLAKE
THIS DIAMOND RING
LITTLE MISS GO-GO
3A SAVE YOUR HEART FOR ME
3B WITHOUT A WORD OF WARNING
4A EVERYBODY LOVES A CLOWN
4B TIME STANDS STILL
5A SHE'S JUST MY STYLE
5B I WON'T MAKE THAT MISTAKE AGAIN
6A SURE GONNA MISS HER
6B I DON'T WANNA SAY GOODNIGHT
7A GREEN GRASS
7B I CAN READ BETWEEN THE LINES
8A MY HEART'S SYMPHONY
8B TINA (I HELD YOU IN MY ARMS)
9A (YOU DON'T HAVE TO) PAINT ME A PICTURE
9B LOOKING FOR THE STARS
WAY WAY OUT
10A DOWN ON THE SLOOP JOHN B **
10B ICE MELTS IN THE SUN **
11A WHERE WILL THE WORDS COME FROM
11B MAY THE BEST MAN WIN
12A THE LOSER (WITH A BROKEN HEART)
12B ICE MELTS IN THE SUN
13A GIRLS IN LOVE
13B LET'S BE MORE THAN FRIENDS
14A JILL
14B NEW IN TOWN
15A HAS SHE GOT THE NICEST EYES
15B HAPPINESS
16A SEALED WITH A KISS
16B SARA JANE
17A MAIN STREET
17B C.C. RIDER
18A RHYTHM OF THE RAIN
18B MISTER MEMORY
19A EVERY DAY I HAVE TO CRY SOME
19B MISTER MEMORY
20A HAYRIDE
20B GARY'S GROOVE
21A I SAW ELVIS PRESLEY LAST NIGHT
21B SOMETHING IS WRONG
22A GREAT BALLS OF FIRE
22B I'M ON THE RIGHT ROAD NOW
1B: There were two B-sides to "This Diamond Ring"
10A & 10B were A/B sides to an unreleased single
10B later released as 12B ("Ice Melts In The Sun")
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More good news from producer Ed Osbourne:
Ed Osbourne wrote:
The mastering is done by Steve and Bob and, boy, do those vintage mono mixes sound great!
Look for this two CD package in April from Collectors' Choice Music.
Jay And The Americans 64 song set is next, same mastering team. |
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Have to add this other encouraging post:
Steve Hoffman wrote:
It's the research on a title like this that is the main work. I don't know any other mastering engineers (even my best buddy) who does the research end as well as the mastering end. Without good research the wrong tapes are used or the wrong songs or the wrong sound ends up on the release.
When I worked on the VAN MORRISON Moondance LP recently I think it was 85% research. If we had just mastered if from the tapes that were sent us it would have come out wrong, just another half-assed release..
Gotta take the days (weeks, months) to do it right or why bother? Just to collect a paycheck and be done with it? Where is the fun, satisfaction (and challenge) in that? |
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Great news indeed, Brian! It's encouraging to see an independent label like Collector's Choice still putting out quality CD reissues during a time when CD sales are on a rapid decline. And I enjoy hearing mono single mixes making their CD debut as much as I love hearing first-time stereo mixes in digital!
Any word on an official release date for the Gary Lewis & the Playboys set? I can't seem to find information about it on any major retail websites, but looks like the Collector's Choice site (www.ccmusic.com) is currently taking orders.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
| It's encouraging to see an independent label like Collector's Choice still putting out quality CD reissues during a time when CD sales are on a rapid decline. |
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I would imagine that the people buying Collector's Choice CDs are still all buying CDs today, though. It's the masses who have converted to digital downloads, more than the collectors. At least, this is what I would suspect. I know I'm still buying CDs!
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No exact date listed, supposedly sometime in April, but it is up for pre-order on the CCM website:
http://www.ccmusic.com/item.cfm?itemID=CCM20132
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Got an email notification that my copy shipped today. Anyone else receive theirs already?
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I did A/B comparisons between all of my Gary Lewis & The Playboys Liberty 45s and their corresponding tracks from the new Complete Liberty Singles CD (thank you, John!) This is a great collection of the mono 45s, and is more faithful to the vinyl 45s than was the case with the Tommy James set. The takes utilized on the CD are identical to those used on the original Liberty vinyl 45s. Timing differences are much smaller this time around, too (again, using a direct drive turntable.)
Here are the breakdowns for all of the top 40 hits, with the sole exception of "Sealed With A Kiss," which I do not have on 45. Filling in is the #43 near-miss, "The Loser (With A Broken Heart)" :
"This Diamond Ring" (vinyl 45 run time is 2:04, CD track is 2:04)
CD runs about 1.04 seconds faster than the vinyl 45. The CD track's fadeout continues 1.04 seconds beyond the end of the 45, giving both an identical time of 2:04.
"Count Me In" (vinyl 45 run time is 2:18, CD track is 2:17)
CD runs about .64 second faster than the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.
"Save Your Heart For Me" (vinyl 45 runs 1:54, CD runs 1:56)
CD runs about .35 second faster than the vinyl 45. The 45 decay dumps out :02 sooner than on the CD.
"Everybody Loves A Clown" (vinyl 45 run time is 2:21, CD track is 2:21)
CD runs about .36 second slower than the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.
"She's Just My Style" (vinyl 45 run time is 2:50, CD track is 2:51)
CD runs about .63 second slower than the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.
"Sure Gonna Miss Her" (vinyl 45 run time is 2:13, CD track is 2:13)
CD runs about .63 second slower than the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.
"Green Grass" (vinyl 45 runs 2:05, CD track is 2:07)
CD runs about .61 second slower than the vinyl 45. CD fadeout point is just a hair past the 45's fadeout point.
"My Heart's Symphony" (vinyl 45 runs 2:30, CD track is 2:30)
Essentially the same speed. CD runs .04 second faster than the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.
"(You Don't Have To) Paint Me A Picture" (vinyl 45 runs 2:09, CD runs 2:09)
CD runs about .22 second slower than the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.
"Where Will The Words Come From" (vinyl 45 runs 1:58, CD runs 1:59)
CD runs about .30 second slower than the vinyl 45. CD decay is very slightly longer than on the 45.
"The Loser (With A Broken Heart)" (vinyl 45 runs 2:05, CD runs 2:05)
Essentially the same speed. CD runs about .09 second faster than the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.
"Girls In Love" (vinyl 45 runs 2:26, CD runs 2:26)
Essentially the same speed. CD track runs .10 second faster than the vinyl 45. During the last second of the psychedelic pause (from 1:27 to 1:28) there is a noticeable hum on the CD that is not present on the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.
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Outstanding work, Yah Shure! Sounds like for all intents and purposes the new Gary Lewis & the Playboys set is a winner!
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Thanks, Todd. I should clarify that the only tracks that I've heard from the new CD set were the ones I reviewed above, so I can't speak for the remainder of the tracks. But as far as the hits go, it's a go-go-go!! :)
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Thanks for your detailed analysis, Yah! I'm expecting mine in the mail any day now. (I ordered the slow shipping, after the release date.)
Yeah, Steve Hoffman is really a stickler for getting the right tapes. His standard procedure is to just aks the label libraries for "every tape you've got" for a particular title. When he was mastering "Judy at Carnegie Hall" for DCC, he asked for every tape and got roughly 40 reels! In among it all was the three-track multitrack for the concert... no one at Capitol had known or remembered it was recorded in stereo! That's why it exists in stereo on CD today.
Too bad Hoffman wasn't working on the Motown Singles sets! We wouldn't have all these mistakes. Still haven't heard back from Harry Weingar regarding fixing the 1971 volume.
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Brian, I'd thought about registering at the SH forum and starting a thread about the Beatles. But I see there already is one. ;)
You're absolutely right. These projects show exactly who has and hasn't done their homework. Steve has the TLC part down pat. Case in point: on several of the earlier Gary Lewis vinyl 45s, the fades end rather abruptly and with a bit of a "clunk," to boot. The CDs show that that's exactly how they ended on the masters, too. Steve made the effort to smooth out the end tips of these fades without shortening them. There were a couple of instances where I thought the CD fades bailed out early, but when I normalized just the tips of those fades, I found otherwise.
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With a set like this.... do they go back to the mono mixdown session masters (which would end cold) and just re-fade them to match the 45 (as opposed to the original 45 masters with the fades built in)? If not, then i don't understand how the tapes would run a little longer for any of the tunes...(This Diamond Ring for example).
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TomDiehl1 wrote:
| With a set like this.... do they go back to the mono mixdown session masters (which would end cold) and just re-fade them to match the 45 (as opposed to the original 45 masters with the fades built in)? If not, then i don't understand how the tapes would run a little longer for any of the tunes...(This Diamond Ring for example). |
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I've always wondered about this too... It seems so often that a song's fade on CD doesn't match its 45 or LP fades.
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Weren't there two different versions of "Sure Gonna Miss
Her"? I seem to remember one with horns and one with what
sounded like a Spanish Guitar. Same vocals, as far as I
remember.
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I remember the single had horns in the beginning. Then in November of 1966 I bought the 'Golden Greats'
L.P., Liberty LST-7468, and there were no horns in the beginning. I thought there was an acoustic or
'spanish' guitar in the beginning of both. I've been resigned to the fact that Gary Lewis had more
different mixes of his recordings than anyone I can think of! -Bill.
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The "horns" at the beginning of the single mix of "Sure
Gonna Miss Her" are in fact two trombone tracks recorded at
half speed so that they sounded more like Mexican-style
trumpets when played at pitch. I guess they couldn't book
any trumpet players for that particular session so they
used a bit of ingenuity. As far as I know, those horns were
only on the mono mix until the advent of the CD-era stereo
remixes.
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