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I'm a little confused on this one... The database lists two different run times for Van Morrison's "Domino." One is (3:06)-(3:07) and the other is (3:03). Given that the song ends cold, I'm wondering how these all contain the "LP version." I know that the 45 runs about (3:01), so could this shorter version be the 45? Is there something different between the 45 & LP other than the length?
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I'm thinking that either the 45 is faster or the CD time takes dead space into account.
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The 45 contains an edit at about the 2:43 mark. A few seconds are edited out; offhand, I can't recall the length of the excised section.
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My stock WB 45 runs 3:03. I don't hear any edits in the 2:43 area.
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I've done this one and it's one easy edit - the 6.5 second section from roughly 2:40.50 to 2:47
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do we have an issue of speed again? The version on Best of runs faster than the version I have on Sounds of the Seventies 1970. Also, do we have two 45s, one with and one without an edit? What was the 45 speed, the Best Of version with "His Band And The Street Choir" LP being slower? Pop Annual shows timing as 3:02.
Edited by davidclark on 17 June 2006 at 6:03pm
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I have the re-issue 45 of "Domino" (Warner GWB 0454) and it is
almost exactly the same speed as what's on the CD His Band And
The Street Choir (Warner W2-1884). It's time is listed at 3:02 and
runs 3:01. But, and again this is a re-issue single, to my ears there
seems to be a different mix; the 45 has echo on everything (easiest
to hear on the opening guitar and Van's vocals), while the CD version
is comparably dry. Warner was usually pretty good about putting
the original 45 versions on their re-issue 45's, but I don't have an
original 45 with which to compare.
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re-issue 45s are often do not match their original counterparts. I would still like someone to tell us about the speed differences I hear.
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Like everyone on this thread, this one is driving me nuts. I have three CDs containing Domino - His Band And The Street Choir, Best Of and the Time-Life Sounds Of The Seventies SOD-01.
I ripped all three into Adobe Audition 1.5 for comparison. After trimming the opening dead audio to the first guitar note of the intro on each, I found that all three versions are virtually the same length. At the last audible portion of the final horn note, the Street Choir and Best Of versions clocked in (using the Adobe digital clock) at 3:06 - give or take a couple of tenths of seconds. Given the disparate times in the previous posts and in Pat's database, I can't explain why this is so...but I trust the software and its clock.
Concerning the edit...prior to the compact disc era, I played Domino on the radio for many years - initially the vinyl 45, and later the cartridge tape dub of the 45. In fact (gulp) I played it as a current hit in late '70. I'm trusting that my memory of the single is still intact, but you never know.
For anyone interested, the edit I've done on all three occurs after the third and final "on the radio" lyric...immediately after "radio." Essentially, it cuts out the three "uhh-ahh's", to the "hear" of the "hear the band." Technically, the edit is from 2:42:000 to 2:49.886 on the Adobe clock - so it's a 7.266 second edit.
Thus, the 45 edit running time for each is again similar, at 2:59 - give or take. Again this concerns me because it obviously conflicts with the vinyl 45 times given by Aaron and Gary. Can either of you supply me with a copy of the stock or reissue 45 for review?
We're currently using my version on WOMC, so I'd like to ensure that I've got it right. Likewise, I hope this helps everyone, without muddying the waters too much more.
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i feel this post need reviving, as we never did resove anything. Timings/speed/edits 45 vs. LP.
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Reviving again, the edit seems simple, but is there echo present on the 45 (as Paul eluded to), that's not present on the LP versions?
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eriejwg wrote:
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Ordered the 45 today, guess I'll have to find out for myself. Thanks all!
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eriejwg wrote:
eriejwg wrote:
Is there echo present on
the 45 (as Paul eluded to), that's not present on the LP
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Ordered the 45 today, guess I'll have to find out for
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Any final conclusion on this
one?
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My 45 is mono and runs about 3:02 ( I have a half second of
silence on the beginning of my file) vs. all of the
database listings that are stereo. Not sure if the 45 is a
fold down or a dedicated mono mix. But, it there was an
edit that may be why Pat classifies it as an LP version.
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Mono? Very interesting, John; I've never been previously aware of any stock Warner Brothers 7434 "Domino" being in mono before. Is yours on the olive green Warner Brothers label?
My Columbia Terre Haute-pressed stereo stock's deadwax is all hand-etched: "#S-7434 N-51901-S-2 10-6- 70" and opposite that, what appears to be a "1" with a circle around it and "TI". Stated and actual times are 3:02.
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Lo and behold, I have a stock CANADIAN pressing! Olive
green Warner Brothers label. Deadwax is "WB-7434A - 2"
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OK
I've compared the LP version, the stock 45 and the mono
promo 45 versions. Stock and promo 45's run (3:01).
Thanks to Jim for assistance with this.
To address the different times of the CD's with the LP
version, it's caused by speed differences. Seems the
correct speed LP runs (3:06). The one of the "Best Of" CD
that runs (3:03) is pitched too fast.
The 45 version runs slower than the LP version and as
indicated above is a complete remix. There is extra
reverb on most of the instruments and his lead vocal. The
45 mix features one clearly defined drum track. But the
LP mix has 2 drum tracks and starting on the 2nd verse,
the 2 are very noticeably out-of-sync (like the 2nd
drummer just stopped trying to be accurate and started
hitting them any ol' way) ... this makes a distracting
"clumping" effect. I heard the song this way all my life
and it never bothered me until I now heard the single.
I'm glad they thought better of that when mixing the 45.
Also as noted earlier, the 45 is edited in the final
chorus.
BTW, when I synchronized the 45 and LP mixes, I noticed
one other detail; both 45 AND LP mixes contain a splice
just prior to the above mentioned edit point. At 2:38 in
the LP (2:39 of the 45) on the beat that follows "rhythm
and blues music" you hear the tail end of a word that got
cut off. The only reason I noticed at all is that the
splice point in both versions don't line up which makes
the cut obvious. In fact, in the LP version it's a much
sloppier edit. It never stood out before because the
"clumping" mess of drum beats.
RE: Mono Promo 45: this was very interesting. The mono
mix is indeed an exact fold-down of the stereo 45 mix.
What made it interesting is the engineer(s)used a slight
phase effect on the horns in the stereo 45 mix that you
can't hear in stereo, BUT in mono the horns have a flange
effect that really stands out. This the ONLY element of
the mix that flanges in mono..all other elements are in-
phase and sound normal. This had to be intentional
because it would take some effort to create a variable
flange effect that way. Had it been a simply phase error
on the horn track they would simply cancel to a lower
volume in the mono. Comparing the mono promo dub to my
own fold-down, the effect is identical.
So I can only assume they wanted the song to sound that
way on AM radio. Yet anyone who purchased the single and
played it on a stereo set would never hear this effect.
So there you have it ..
-45 = slowest pitch, total remix (far superior to my
ears).....
-LP version timing differences in the DB caused by speed.
-Mono mix same as stereo 45 but with phased/flanged
horns.
MM
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I'm guessing the mono Canadian pressing of the 45 I have
is a fold down of the stereo 45 version? Because,
there's definitely added reverb and I hear the flange
effect too.
Could be the mono promo mix.
The added reverb is definitely what made the song a hit
on the radio. The LP version sounds so lifeless.
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