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Yes, I'd like a copy, Ed. Does your promo single indicate a printed run time of 4:25?
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the promo cd single does not state a version or run time...
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Todd Ireland wrote:
Pat:
To be perfectly honest, I don't remember how I came up with the 3:44 run time for Monifah's "Touch It". Every promo CD copy I've researched recently contains the Clean Radio Edit (3:57) and the Clean Album Version (4:47), so I'm baffled here by my own information!
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We received in a second promo CD single for Monifah's "Touch It." One of the only times I can EVER remember a label hearing, liking, and then "officially" releasing a version done by either a radio station or dance-hall DJ. ("Tom's Diner" was another.) Universal quickly threw a printer-generated, black-and-white label on it, gave it no official Promo CD #, burned copies of it, and issued this 1-track, "Derry London Squeaky Clean Radio Edit" with a listed and actual time of (3:29). We immediately started playing this version. A second copy of this same new mix also came in - with no label OR writing on the CD, and someone writing "Squeaky Clean Edit" on the plastic outer slipcase with a Sharpie! Just letting the Board know all the details, since there's no unique identifying promo CD single catalog # for it. This is NOT a bootleg - it is, without question, issued by Universal - tons of "bells and whistles" label details - just not a catalog #!
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edtop40 wrote:
| todd i have the promo cd single of the song issued as arista ascd-2222 and it contains one track running 4:59....would you like an copy?? |
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Aha! So the Japanese CD single DOES have the radio edit!
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jimct wrote:
| We received in a second promo CD single for Monifah's "Touch It."...Universal quickly threw a printer-generated, black-and-white label on it, gave it no official Promo CD #, burned copies of it, and issued this 1-track, "Derry London Squeaky Clean Radio Edit" with a listed and actual time of (3:29). |
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Jim, that just jogged my memory, and I recall our station having this "burned" promo single, too. I believe I have a dub of it somewhere. Doesn't it eliminate the spoken part completely? ("Jack Knight and Dakota House / all we wanna do is make you bounce...")
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Aaron: As Ed McMahon always said to Johnny Carson, "You are correct, sir!" I'm sure the producer of the song, "Jack Knight for Dakota House Productions" was THRILLED that part of KHTT/Tulsa DJ Derry London's chop-job was the mention of HIM and (probably) HIS company!
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I just found my copy of the (3:29) edit, and this doesn't sound like a DJ edited it. For one, the "talking" part, which is present throughout the entire song in the background, is completely gone. There would be no way to edit that out without having the master tape. Also, Monifah's lead vocal is a little louder in the mix. On my CD-R, I have this labeled as "Pop Edit."
I'm guessing that would mean there's more than one (3:29) edit--one that Jim has and the one that I have. As I said earlier, I don't have the actual single, so I'm only going from memory that this was a CD-R that our station received and may not have had a catalog number either.
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Aaron: I believe it's possible the DJ did the best he could to make a "mainstream edit", but ran into the problem you bring up. Then Universal, they of the "master tape", liked his concept, axed the "talking" throughout, and got it done right, while still giving the DJ full credit. This also happened with "You Don't Bring Me Flowers." A DJ took versions both had done solo on LPs, and turned it into a "duet", but it was choppy-sounding due to the different orchestrations found on each version. So Columbia, who LOVED the concept, brought them both in, and started from scratch with it.
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Ah, that makes sense. Good info, Jim!
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One of the songs I've been wondering if a shorter radio edit or length exists is Luther Vandross' "Don't Want to Be a Fool". I asked Jim about it and he tells me his promo CD single copy on Epic ESK-73879 contains one track running 4:35. This appears to be identical to the single and album version. So unless another promo single pressing is floating around out there, no short edit or length was issued for "Don't Want to Be a Fool". Jim helps solve another mystery!
I'll have information on a couple more promo singles coming real soon!...
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...And here they are! I know this next entry isn't listed in the database because it doesn't fully meet Pat's criteria for inclusion, but the song did reach #40 on the Billboard Hot 100...
SIMPLE MINDS - SEE THE LIGHTS (A&M 75021 7546-2)
1) 7" Mix Edit - 3:55
2) 7" Mix (No Guitar Solo) - 3:55
3) 7" Mix Full Length - 4:26
4) LP Edit - 3:52
5) Extended Mix - 6:59
Comments: Commercial single copies run 4:23.
VANILLA ICE - PLAY THAT FUNKY MUSIC (SBK DPRO-05364)
1) (Remix Edit) - 3:21 (not 3:18 as stated on the label)
2) Yo Vanilla - :05 (a snippet of the first :05 of cut 1)
3) (Remix) - 4:40
4) (LP Version) - 4:35
Comments: Commercial single copies run 3:23 and states "remix" on the cassingle sleeve, though it appears to be the same as the Remix Edit on Track 1 of the DJ CD single.
Credits:
promo single info. - courtesy of Jim
commercial single info. - courtesy of Ed
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Jim has passed along information on a couple more promo CD singles I inquired about earlier in this thread:
STEVIE B - LOVE ME FOR LIFE (LMRCDP 07)
1) Album Version - 5:16 (not 5:12 as stated on the label)
2) Short Mix - 3:44 (not 3:47 as stated on the label)
Ed reports his commercial single copy runs 5:16.
Also, it doesn't look like there is a shorter radio edit or length issued for "Always and Forever" by Whistle. The promo CD single released on Select SDS 001 contains the tracks: 1) Vocal, and 2) Instrumental, both running 4:38. It appears the Vocal track is identical to the single and album version.
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Pat:
First, did you catch the DJ and commercial single information for Vanilla Ice's "Play That Funky Music" and Stevie B's "Love Me for Life" in the previous two posts? I ask because I haven't seen any updates in the database regarding those two songs.
Second, Jim was once again a great sport to pass along information on two more promo CD singles:
MARTIN PAGE - IN THE HOUSE OF STONE AND LIGHT (CDP 1390)
1) Edit - 4:09 (not 3:59 as stated on the label)
2) (no version stated) - 5:00
Comments: My commercial CD single runs 4:58.
JON B. - PRETTY GIRL (BSK 6838)
1) Chill Mix Radio Edit - 3:53
2) Album Version Radio Edit - 3:56
3) Chill Mix Extended Version - 5:08 (not 5:13 as stated on the label)
4) Album Version - 4:17
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Selena "Dreaming of You" (1995)
We had a promo from EMI at my high school radio
station that had a "Radio Mix" that ran 4:15. This was
among many promos I took with me when I graduated. I
no longer have it other than in ripped digital form.
It can be recreated from the LP version by cutting out
3:52 - 4:16. It starts with the snare after "...rather
be" and ends at the snare before "...tonight". Fade
starts at 3:59. By 4:11 song is completely faded. Last
distinguishable lyrics are "endlessly".
Also, first post. Hi guys!
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Welcome! I have a US promo of "Dreaming Of You," and interestingly, it does not contain the 4:15 "Radio Mix" you speak of. Here's what's on mine.
DPRO-10427
1. Radio Edit (listed 4:15; actual 4:47)
2. Album Version (listed 5:15; actual 5:14)
Now I have to try to find the promo with the 4:15 version! Thanks for the tip :)
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Just wondering, would the 4:15 edit just be a much
earlier fade of the 4:47 version?
I'd love to know the differences.
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Just checked and sure enough, the video uses the Radio
Mix I mentioned. It is not merely an early fade. The
edit ends up having the lyrics say "...I'd rather be
tonight...". Fade at guitar.
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jimct wrote:
Aaron: As Ed McMahon always said to Johnny
Carson, "You are correct, sir!" I'm sure the producer of
the song, "Jack Knight for Dakota House Productions" was
THRILLED that part of KHTT/Tulsa DJ Derry London's chop-job
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Interesting. Guess I missed this thread earlier.
I produced an edit of this song that we used on the air
that removed the rap. Our MCA rep asked for a dub of my
edit that he could use to try and get some regional
holdouts to add the song. Jim, do you have this rapless
edit? I'd like to compare it to the one I did.
I don't recall us ever getting a CD-R reservice of this.
Edited by Hykker on 09 June 2016 at 10:22am
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I think I remember comparing Jim's Derry London edit to the Pop Edit at
some point, and I think they are the same. This is not merely an edit,
but a remix from the multi tracks that remove Jack Knight's spoken bits.
When I have a chance, I'll take a listen again.
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