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jimct
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Posted: 18 September 2009 at 3:51am \| IP Logged

Pat, there has been a note in your database for a long time now that states "DJ copies of this 45 run (3:38) not (3:40) as stated on the record label". As a result of this note, I have been hunting for this shorter promo for years now, with no luck. My 1969 promo 45 has the same, longer version that appears on the stock 45, as has every other promo 45 I've come across to date. Does anyone happen to own this shorter promo, to double-check/confirm its existance? Or does anyone who was spinnin' the Top 40 hits on-air in '69 (Gary Mack, etc.) happen to remember playing this short version that Pat references? It certainly makes sense that a shorter version of it was indeed put out, given its length. Or, Pat, if no one else can help, could you possibly double-check/confirm your existing promo 45 note/info for this song? I just wanna make sure I'm not on a wild goose chase here! Normally, I am able to locate any promo versions you have made notes on pretty quickly, but not here. Thanks!

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Posted: 18 September 2009 at 5:19am \| IP Logged

My promo copy is likewise the longer version.
WRKO in Boston did play the short version back in 1969, though from looking thru my surveys, they were quite late on the song. It's possible that RCA re-serviced a few key stations with the short version a month or so after its initial release. The station I did weekends at had already dropped the song by the time WRKO added it, so I don't know if they received it.
I have never seen a promo with the short version, though I do have it on a red-label back-to-back hits 45. I think it lists the long version time, but times out to 3:38.

Edited by Hykker on 18 September 2009 at 5:23am

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Posted: 18 September 2009 at 5:55am \| IP Logged

I worked in Phoenix at KRIZ/KRUX/KTAR-FM/KOOL-FM/KRUX from 1967-1973 and the only run time I remember for Going In Circles is 3:40. That was a long time ago, so maybe some other tune had that time marked on the label. My stock copy has the familiar 4:32 on the orange label, but it does seem to me that the yellow-label RCA promo was 3:40.

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Edited by Gary Mack on 18 September 2009 at 5:55am

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Posted: 18 September 2009 at 9:54pm \| IP Logged

Ordered a yellow label promo yesterday, I'll report back, but it sounds I may encouter what Jim has.

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Posted: 19 September 2009 at 1:42pm \| IP Logged

Hykker wrote:

I have never seen a promo with the short version, though I do have it on a red-label back-to-back hits 45. I think it lists the long version time, but times out to 3:38.

Great call, Steve! My promo copy is also the long version, but the edit also made it onto at least the initial vinyl pressings of the black label Gold Standard series when it replaced the red-labeled design in 1976-77. The label time did not change, remaining at 4:32.

Two immediately apparent observations:

1) The left and right channels on the stereo edit are reversed compared to the stereo 4:32 promo 45. The lead vocal is panned more toward the right channel rather than the left (it's dead-center on the Nipper's G.H.CD.)

2) The edit eliminates the second half of the instrumental intro.

I also have a mid-'80s styrene Gold Standard 45, which is labeled 4:32, but contains the longer version. The matrix number on all of these configurations - WPKS-8342 - is the same, unfortunately. My promo copy has an additional "5S" suffix in the deadwax; the short Gold Standard an "11S" and the styrene long Gold Standard a "33".

I'm guessing that the short version wasn't done until promo copies were prepared once "Going In Circles" - the original B-side - was elevated to A-side status. "Let Yourself Go," which charted first, is designated as the plug side on my 4:32 DJ 45.

Edited by Yah Shure on 19 September 2009 at 8:43pm

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Posted: 20 September 2009 at 9:03am \| IP Logged

I have the 4:32 version on the Best Of and the vocal is panned to the left.

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Posted: 26 September 2009 at 12:25pm \| IP Logged

Yep, I double checked my dj copy and it is a yellow label RCA 74-0204 with a stated time of (3:40) and an actual time of (3:38). Matrix number is stamped on the runout groove as WPKS 8342-11S

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Posted: 26 September 2009 at 3:30pm \| IP Logged

Many thanks for the double-check, Pat. Your new included details are much appreciated. Strange how all 10 of the previous promo copies I'd seen before all featured the stock 45 length, isn't it? 1969 radio must've worn out all of those shorter-length promo 45 copies playing them on-the-air!

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Posted: 26 September 2009 at 5:13pm \| IP Logged

jimct wrote:

Strange how all 10 of the previous promo copies I'd seen before all featured the stock 45 length, isn't it? 1969 radio must've worn out all of those shorter-length promo 45 copies playing them on-the-air!

Or something like that.
Maybe Pat has the only short promo in existence.
A quick check of the Whitburn book shows that it got up to #15 in Billboard, for some reason I don't really associate the song with being much of a hit...at least in the Boston area/northern New England. Must have been really big in other parts of the country. Gotta say the song has grown on me over the years, didn't care for it much at the time.
It will be interesting to see which version is on the promo eriejwg ordered.

Edited by Hykker on 26 September 2009 at 5:15pm

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Posted: 26 September 2009 at 8:02pm \| IP Logged

I didn't report back last week, but the yellow label promo I ordered was also the 4:32 version.

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Posted: 08 June 2013 at 9:14am \| IP Logged

Thankfully, as Steve jokingly opined, Pat no longer has the only copy of the
shorter, (3:40) on both sides promo 45. I have just finally picked one up;
deadwax info is exactly the same as what Pat states above. Strangely,
though, for as often as it has been referenced in this thread/how many of us
own the longer promo, existence of the listed (4:32), actual (4:25) promo 45
has never been added to the db. Pat, deadwax for the longer RCA 0204
promo is a faintly-pressed, machine stamped "WPKS 8342 5S". And, unlike
the shorter promo, the longer one has the also-charted-Hot-100 "Let
Yourself Go" on the flip side.

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Posted: 08 June 2013 at 11:29am \| IP Logged

This all points to the short version of GIC being a later
reservice...someone at RCA must have believed in it, but
thought it was too long. Since "Let Yourself Go" had
already run out of whatever little steam it had, there was
no reason to include it.
I just checked my promo, and LYG was noted as the plug
side...does this agree with everyone else's 4:32 promo?

Edited by Hykker on 08 June 2013 at 11:30am

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Posted: 08 June 2013 at 1:16pm \| IP Logged

I already mentioned it upthread, but yes, my 4:32 DJ copy also lists LYG as the plug side.

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Yah Shure wrote:

1) The left and right channels on the stereo edit are reversed compared to the stereo 4:32 promo 45. The lead vocal is panned more toward the
right channel rather than the left (it's dead-center on the Nipper's G.H.CD.)

2) The edit eliminates the second half of the instrumental intro.

So can the promo be extracted from any CD version, or do we have to slow the CD version down first? (It appears the only CD with the proper speed is On The
Radio Volume 6, but I don't have it.)

Also, eliminating the second half of the instrumental intro only shaves off about 12 seconds, so is there another edit or is it faded early?

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Posted: 02 August 2016 at 9:46pm \| IP Logged

Doug, I never replicated the short 45 version from CD, and while I do have the On The Radio Vol. 6 CD, I figured the more readily-available Rhino Soul Hits Of The '70s, Vol. 1 would provide a more useful source (which has got to be the CD I was thinking of upthread three years ago, since "Going In Circles" isn't even on any of the Nipper CDs.)

To answer your question: it is faded early, with no further edits.

Here are the steps, using the Rhino CD:

1. Swap the left and right channels.

2. Delete the 12.375-second segment from :12.728 to :25.103 (where the vocal starts.) Your results should sound smoother than the clunky-sounding edit on the short 45.

3. Fade from 3:24.225 to 3:36.712 (12.486 seconds.)

4. Stretch length by 101.678%. Final length should be 3:40.348.

Edited by Yah Shure on 02 August 2016 at 9:49pm

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Posted: 28 October 2023 at 12:51am \| IP Logged

If you use the Rhino CD as the source, you'd not have the same mix as the
short promo 45. A dub of the promo 45 reveals it is an edit of the (differently
mixed from the LP) commercial 45.

I believe the Rhino CD is simply a sped-up LP mix.

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