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cmmmbase wrote:
I've got a stock copy of the 7" - catalog number 7-29841 |
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The US promo copy has the same number, and carries a 3:58 edit on both sides - one in mono, one in stereo.
The promo single for "Physical Attraction" was on Sire Pro-S-2023, and carried a 3:54 edit in stereo on both sides. The notation states "from the 12" sire maxi single 0-29715).
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torcan wrote:
| The promo single for "Physical Attraction" was on Sire Pro-S-2023, and carried a 3:54 edit in stereo on both sides. The notation states "from the 12" sire maxi single 0-29715). |
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I love "Physical Attraction", thought it'd be interesting to note that the 3:54 edit which first surfaced on CD on the "You Can Dance Single Edits of Album Remixes" promo and later on the Jap CD Single Collection, is actually NOT a simple edit of the "Madonna" album version.
It is a different mix, if you pay attention, the differences are easy to spot. I can provide specifics if needed.
Recently, several previously unheard demos from Madonna's debut album leaked from her first manager, and interestingly enough, among them is the full version of the 3:54 edit, clocking in at 5:58.
An official edit of the 6:35 "Physical Attraction" album version has yet to surface.
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<The "You Must Love Me" 2 track also had the single version>
This is interesting. How does the single version differ? (Can anyone send me an mp3 of the single version?) Ironically, I just added this song to my mp3 player an hour before reading this post! And I just assumed that this short version on the LP would be the same as the single.
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The single version starts with a piano and cello section, with the same structure in which you hear it on the chorus:
"you must love... (piano and violin section) me...".
Another noticeable difference is the single version uses a smooth synth sound backing her vocals throughout most of the song, the album version is missing it. You can easily tell when she sings the first verse, on the album version it's acapella.
The intro on the single version gives it an extra 17 seconds over the album version.
I'll be glad to send you an mp3 of it.
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| Get Wet - Just So Lonely - shorter than LP but last 10 seconds of 45 are not on LP |
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Just found this thread again, and there's some good information in it! I wanted to comment that the 45 version of "Just So Lonely" CAN be edited from the LP version. The last chorus is looped and faded out on the 45. You'd have to hear it to get it just right, but there's an obviously bad edit on the fade out of the 45 where the loop starts.
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DOUCETTE - "MAMA LET HIM PLAY" (Edit and Remix)
45 actual time (2:54) (US Mushroom 7030)
CD actual time (4:24) (US Era CD 5017-2, Mama Let Him Play)
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Due to mix differences, the 45 edit cannot be re-created from the LP version found on the out-of-print Era CD Mama Let Him Play (which sounds suspiciously like a needle drop.) The 45 sounds much brighter and crisper than the CD track.
From the very beginning, the 45 has two guitars; one panned hard left, and the other centered. On the CD, both guitars are centered, although the punctuating guitar licks are well-separated.
The vocal and instrumental differences between the CD version's two refrains make it impossible to do a smooth edit to at least replicate the 45's edited length. There's no way to obtain the cold ending without a very awkward-sounding change. The different 45 mix pulls it off without a hitch.
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B.B. KING - "HUMMINGBIRD" (ABC 11268, 1970)
DJ 45 listed time is (2:55)
DJ 45 actual time is (3:05)
Commercial 45 listed time is (3:49)
Commercial 45 actual time is (3:57)
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An entire verse is excised from the DJ 45 version. To replicate the promo 45 edit:
Beginning at the second drum beat at 1:42 (1:42.3, specifically) edit out 51.464 seconds up to the beginning of the drum beat at 2:33.7.
The DJ 45 edit abruptly clips off a guitar note. A touch of reverb can smooth that out, if you prefer.
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This one falls below even the top 100 (#102) but it was a #30 AC charter.
ART GARFUNKEL - "TRAVELING BOY" (Columbia 46030, 1974)
The stereo DJ and commercial 45s are identical:
Listed time is (3:36)
Actual time is (3:38)
This is an edit of the five-minute track from the Angel Clare LP. It cannot be created from the LP version. The 45 deletes the album version's 42-second instrumental opening, and begins cold with Art's opening line, "Wake up my love..." The LP version has the piano playing prominently as Art begins singing the line.
The 45 mixes out the piano almost completely to start, fading it up very quickly, but gradually. This gives the 45 the feeling of an a capella start.
There are no further edits. The very long instrumental ending is faded out early, but not before including the neat keyboard-and-drum break that highlights the ending.
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sriv94 wrote:
I'm pretty sure these 45s are edits, but I don't know if mix differences are also in play. Please correct if I'm wrong.
I Heard It Through The Grapevine - CCR
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Is the shorter version of CCR's remake of "I Heard It Through The Grapevine" on a CD? All I've ever seen is the eleven minute version.
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TRAFFIC - "EMPTY PAGES" (United Artists 50692, 1970, #74 BB)
Listed and actual 45 time is (3:57)
Listed vinyl LP time is (4:45); actual time is (4:33)
The 45 differs from the LP track on John Barleycorn Must Die in two ways:
1.) The instrumental section between 2:46 and 3:23 is edited out of the 45. The edit is a bit on the loose side.
2.) There are handclaps in the right channel of the 45 from 1:51 to 2:44. These handclaps are not present on the LP or CD versions. Consequently, the 45 version cannot be replicated from LP or CD.
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| Is the shorter version of CCR's remake of "I Heard It Through The Grapevine" on a CD? All I've ever seen is the eleven minute version. |
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According to the latest CCM catalog, Fantasy's new Creedence Clearwater Revival Covers The Classics CD has the single edit.
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Here's a Cancon oldie that didn't chart in the U.S.:
TRANQUILITY BASE - "IF YOU'RE LOOKIN'" (RCA 0330, 1970)
Listed and actual time is (2:57)
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Ian Thomas was one of the six members of Tranquility Base. Both "If You're Lookin'" and Ian's 1973 solo hit, "Painted Ladies" were included on the now long-out-of-print RCA Canada CD, Made In Canada, Volume 2: Into The '70s - Our Rock 'N' Roll History. On this CD, the times for "If You're Lookin'" are (2:36) listed and (2:38) actual.
A YouTube clip of "If You're Lookin'" shows a fuzzy image of the Canadian RCA stock 45 label with a listed time of (2:57); the same length as the U.S. RCA 45. But the mono video clip music runs only (2:38), just as it does on the CD.
The :19 difference in timing is due to an earlier fade on the CD track. The sole Tranquility Base LP was never released, and because both the original 45 and the CD were on RCA Canada, the early CD fade seems a little odd. Tape damage, perhaps?
"If You're Lookin'" was an interesting, ahead-of-its-time tune. The hook doesn't appear at all until about the last one-third of the song, and from then on it repeats until the end.
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Thought of another from the Alan Parsons Project: "Psychobabble." (45 runs (3:26), LP runs (4:54) [or thereabouts].)
Shot in the dark--but does anyone have this 45, or know the edit points?
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Another one: Bruce Willis's "Under The Boardwalk". Peaked at 59, the week of July 11, 1987.
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PRISM - "TAKE ME TO THE KAPTIN" (Ariola America 7678, 1978 #59 BB]
45 listed and actual time is (3:01)
LP listed time is (4:00), actual is (3:57)
LP version is on Prism (Ariola America 50020)
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"Take Me To The Kaptin" received a major overhaul when this 1977 LP track was prepped for single release. About the only thing remaining intact is Ron Tabak's lead vocal. The big news here is that both the bass and drum tracks were completely redone, and how!! The bottom end is wimpy at best on the LP version, but the new bass line on the 45 absolutely rocks, and really drives this song. The new drum track is also a huge improvement. The added spacey-sounding synth flourishes are also a nice touch. The guitars are remixed, but otherwise sound similar to those on the LP.
On the minus side, the single fades out a minute earlier than the LP version to keep it at three minutes in length. No biggie, except that in this case it really sounds like a premature fade. It might have been a better idea to shorten the intro a bit, instead.
The 45 version of "Take Me To The Kaptin" does not appear to have been released on CD yet.
BTW, the label scan is from a DJ 45. Curiously, the usual "promotional copy - not for sale" blurb appears only on the mono side.
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yah shure...what kind of scanner do you have to make such a crystal clear image.....my epson never produces images like that!!
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Let's make that another thread, Ed!
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Don Henley's "New York Minute" was mentioned earlier in the thread. Can the radio edit be extracted from the LP version?
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This seemed the best thread to post this question. Toto had 2 hits below the Top 40, and wondered if what's on CD is different from the 45's.
Toto - Georgy Porgy (45 listed as 3:08 / CD listed as 4:08)
Toto - I'll Supply The Love (45 listed as 3:32 / CD listed as 3:45)
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John, I have one of those 45s, and it IS different than the LP/CD track:
TOTO - "I'LL SUPPLY THE LOVE" (Columbia 10898, #45 BB)
45 listed (3:32), actual (3:33) [3:33.127]
LP listed (3:45), actual (3:44) [3:44.667]
The single runs just a tiny bit faster than the vinyl LP track from Toto, but it's not a significant enough difference to worry about. Both the single and LP tracks end cold, so this is a 45 version distinction. To replicate it, there are two edits involved:
First, delete the segment between 3:19.891 and 3:25.675 (a total of 5.783 seconds.)
Second, delete the segment between 2:48.230 and 2:53.979 (a total of 5.749 seconds.) That edit point at 2:48.230 may not seem like the most obvious choice at first, but it works out just fine.
You should end up with a total time of about 3:33.112.
Edited by Yah Shure on 12 August 2010 at 4:00pm
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Thanks, John!
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