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Anybody know if the 45 of InXS and Jimmy Barnes' "Good Times" is different from the LP (there's about a four second difference in both according to Wiki)?
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GORDON LIGHTFOOT - "DAYLIGHT KATY" (Warner Bros. 8579, BB #16 AC; did not chart pop.)
DJ 45: both sides are listed as (3:20)
stereo side actual time is (4:19)
mono side actual time is (3:54)
LP: Endless Wire, Warner Bros. 3149
listed time is (4:12) on jacket, (4:21) on label
actual time is (4:21)
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Did Warner use a sundial to time this one? I don't have the commercial 45, but the deadwax matrix numbers on the stereo side of the DJ 45 do not indicate that this is a DJ-only cutting. The actual time of 4:19 is, indeed, 59 seconds longer than the stated 3:20. This is the LP track faded two seconds earlier, but that last two seconds of the LP track is only audible with speakers or heaphones cranked to ear-damaging levels, anyway.
It's the mono side of the DJ 45 that is of note here. Although listed at 3:20, the mono side runs an actual 3:54, and involves both an edit of the first chorus and a slightly earlier fade.
Here's the first chorus:
Daylight Katy come on
Daylight Katy come on
If you can't follow me down
Daylight Katy go home
(repeat)
The edit halves the first chorus by eliminating most of the repeat. The cut begins with the word "home" and ends at the beginning of the same word "home" of the repeat. That's it! The repeated chorus following the second verse is left uncut.
The mono DJ 45's early fade begins at 3:47, six seconds after the track itself has already begun to fade during the third repetition of the final chorus. The early fade begins with the word "If" at 3:47 and ends at the very end of the line, "Daylight Katy go home" at 3:54.
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Very easy edit to make on the "Daylight Katy" track, as well as the earlier fade.
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Midnight Star's "Freak-A-Zoid" is listed as having some edits and some mix differences on the single version vs. the album version; does anybody know if the single version has ever made it to the digital realm?
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I don't own any of the Midnight Star 45s, but the latest compilation "Ultimate Collection" has short versions. Could these be the correct single mixes?
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If the sample clip is correct, that's not the 45 version of "Freak-A-Zoid".
Sounds like a remix to me (possibly the same one that appeared on their
"Anniversary Collection").
Edited by mstgator on 03 November 2011 at 5:52pm
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mstgator wrote:
If the sample clip is correct, that's
not the 45 version of "Freak-A-Zoid".
Sounds like a remix to me (possibly the same one that
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Yes, that's definitely not the 45 version. That may be
the same remix that was labeled "Radio Edit" on one of
the reissues of the No Parking on the Dance Floor album.
Also, "Midas Touch" on this collection is not the correct
45 version.
FWIW, I was finally able to recreate the 45 version of
"Freak-A-Zoid" using the LP version as the source. This
thing has a TON of edits, at least 10 if I recall. But
the tricky part was the outro, which repeated the "I'll
be your freak-a-zoid..." chorus to a fade. There's a
similar section toward the end of the LP version but it
is mixed differently than the 45 outro, so I had to take
the chorus from an earlier section of the song and repeat
it to a fade. I have my doubts that this was how the
true 45 edit was accomplished, but the end result sounds
the same to me.
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Roscoe, if you have any record of those edits, I'd love to know what they were!
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In Midnight Star's hey-day, i didn't buy any of their
singles, altho i remember the songs. Right then i didn't
really care what would later be called "freestyle" beats,
so groups like Soul Sonic Force..et al. i couldn't stand.
I find in my old age tho, that now because i heard so
much of it along with other dance music at the time, that
it really brings me back! So up til now the only Midnight
Star record i purchased was the later hit "Operator".
I was curious so i went to Youtube, and Unidisc has the
original videos posted (in beautiful quality, too!) for
their hits. So for reference, could this be the 45 edit
of "Freak-A-Zoid"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRo426va26I&feature=relmfu
and as a total aside-question; in the intro for the video
for "No Parking"...does anyone else agree that looks and
sounds like a newly-famous Eddie Murphy who plays the cab
driver who yells at the girl to move her car? (at about
:35 secs in...) and the girl in the car looks familiar to
me as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gomCkCbKHA4
Very cool to hear "Freak-A-Zoid" after all these years.
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^ That is indeed the 45 edit for "Freak-A-Zoid"! The sound effect at 1:48 is
pulled from a different section of the LP version, if you choose to attempt
your own edit (and the outro may be different as well as Roscoe said).
Re: "No Parking"... it does sound like Eddie Murphy, but looks like a thin Ice
Cube. :)
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That's the guide I needed, then... thanks so much, everyone!
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STEPPENWOLF - "FOR LADIES ONLY" (Dunhill 4292, 1971, #64 BB)
Mono commercial 45/mono DJ 45 listed (3:20), actual (3:26)
Stereo DJ 45 listed (3:20), actual (3:27)
LP version on For Ladies Only LP (Dunhill 50110) listed and actual time is (9:13)
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I was prompted to analyze "For Ladies Only" after a poster on the Steve Hoffman forum said he didn't care for "the single edit" of this track. Odds are, that same poster has never actually heard the single *version* of "For Ladies Only," which seems to have disappeared following the 45's 1971 release.
Thanks to a long, mid-song piano-dominated instrumental section, the 9:13 LP track does not readily lend itself to editing, as anyone who's ever heard any of the shorter versions can attest. When Dunhill released Steppenwolf's 16 Greatest Hits compilation in 1973, the single version was not utilized; instead, a newer, but very unintuitive 3:37 edit was created. 16 Greatest Hits was re-titled and reissued over the years as Sixteen Great Performances, first on ABC in 1975, then on MCA in 1980. Track lineups remained unchanged.
MCA's Born To Be Wild/A Retrospective double-CD includes a 4:51 edit. Although an improvement over the previous 3:37 version, it still has a somewhat jarring edit at the 3:27 mark.
Given its absence since 1971, it very well could be that tapes for the 45 version have gone the way of many its other ABC/Dunhill single brethren. So how was the single different from the edits which followed?
1) The single was remixed, whereas all of the common edits utilize the mix on the LP version. The most obvious difference hits the listener from the get-go, and it's all about the very prominent bass. The throbbing bottom end on the 45 mix turns "For Ladies Only" into a guys' kind of rocker, so to speak. It feels powerful and never lets up for the duration of the track.
2) The single mix's edit points are unique to the 45.
3) The bridge on the 45 is reinforced. The LP version has a sixteen-second segment leading up to the piano workout that features two guitars and nothing else. On the 45, this same segment serves as the bridge, where it runs fourteen seconds and the two guitars are augmented by drums, bass and a guitar overdub. This beefed-up segment does a better job of bridging the gap left by the excised piano portion.
To my ears, the commercial 45 - which was mono - sounds like a fold-down of the stereo DJ 45.
Edited by Yah Shure on 05 May 2012 at 3:47pm
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I'm working on "Essential Air Supply" for Sony and have a question about the single version of "The Power of Love" - can anyone who has the 45 time it and report back? I'm unclear as to whether it's 3:57 or 4:07. Thanks.
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4:06.
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Thank you.
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Gordon, will you please let us know when the Essential Air Supply CD is scheduled for release? I have a feeling this will be a must-have compilation for anyone still looking to acquire certain versions of Air Supply hits on CD! ;-)
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Right now, "Essential Air Supply" has only been approved for a digital (mp3) release, but there are people within the Legacy camp that are lobbying to get this released on CD as well. I agree that it should be. No release date has been set yet. I'll keep you posted on all this. Hopefully, it will come out in CD format, too.
And yes, this will be the first US release that contains the single mixes of "Every Woman in the World", "Sweet Dreams" and "The Power of Love".
Incidentally, for those who are Air Supply fans, two non-LP B-sides will be making their CD debut later this year when "The 80s: Air Supply" gets released (and yes, it's in CD format and contains the single mixes of "Every Woman..." and "Sweet Dreams"). This is a budget CD and the songs are "Crazy Love" (B-side to "Just As I Am") and "Late Again" (B-side to "Making Love Out of Nothing At All").
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Sounds like a great release, Gordon! Hopefully the rumor that Apple will announce in June that they will be selling lossless hi-rez music downloads will actually come to pass this time.
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I'm surprised Apple/Mac/iTunes hasn't already been selling hi-rez lossless files. They'd probably charge $1.50 or so (which is 50% higher than MOST of their songs) and when has Apple not wanted to make more money? :)
Of course, the issue now is having the record companies go back to all their CDs and supplying WAVs or aiff's or some other lossless form to Apple.
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This is actually not an issue. Apple requires music companies to submit
the files in lossless quality, and they do the AAC encoding at Apple.
The biggest issue, I believe, is bandwidth costs, but I don't know for
sure about that.
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