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My commercial 45, confirmed as Philles 130, has a listed time of (2:46), but an actual time of (2:49).
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Pat:
In the database, all stereo hit recording appearances of The Righteous Brothers' "Ebb Tide" are shown with an "LP version" comment, while all mono entries have a "with 45 version reverb" description. Is reverb the only difference between the two mixes (other than the obvious left/right channel panning)? If so, then perhaps the "LP version" comment should be modified to read "with LP version reverb"? Or is there something else regarding the mono CD appearances specifically preventing them from otherwise receiving a full-fledged "45 version" designation?
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I am not aware of any other difference between the 45 and LP version of Ebb Tide other than the reverb. The reason I entered the comment as "with 45 version reverb" is to tip off anyone interested in knowing what the 45 vs LP difference is since it is easily overlooked. Adding a comment regarding LP version reverb would be duplicitous.
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Fair enough, Pat. Although haven't you more typically used "45 mix"
and "LP mix" comments in other cases like this where the only
difference is reverb?
Edited by Todd Ireland on 15 May 2014 at 9:06am
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I love the database and all of the work that has been put into it by Pat and all of the forum contributors. But there are inconsistencies, like this one, which leave the reader to draw his own conclusions. It is confusing to see the comment "with 45 version reverb" for mono copies, while stereo copies say "LP version." I do understand Pat's reasoning for wanting to explain the difference, but wouldn't it be better to include that information in the song notes, and just leave the mono copies labeled as "45 version"?
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While I agree that the database comments for "Ebb Tide" as currently
written may be a bit confusing for the reason Aaron stated, I also think
it's probably too late in the game to start switching to using 45/LP
"version" designations to describe a reverb difference given that Pat
has been tagging these cases with 45/LP "mix" comments up to this
point. Even though opinions differ here on this particular policy, I think
it's more important to remain consistent across the board with
whatever longstanding policies have been in place.
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Are you sure he uses only "45/LP mix" in cases where the reverb is
different? If that were true, then shouldn't the designator for this song
be "LP mix"?
That's the problem, Todd. There doesn't seem to be consistency from
song to song with regards to how it's labeled in the database. It's the
age old debate that we've had about "length" vs "version" on songs that
are simply early fades. Sometimes it's "length" and sometimes it's
"version," and it causes us to do further investigation to find out why.
Edited by aaronk on 15 May 2014 at 11:40am
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aaronk wrote:
Are you sure he uses only "45/LP mix" in cases
where the reverb different? If that were true, then shouldn't the
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To answer your first question, no, I'm not 100% certain but that's the
conclusion I've drawn from previous cases. If I'm wrong, perhaps Pat
can set the record straight once and for all. Until then, given my current
understanding of the policy in place, I personally think "45 mix" and "LP
mix" would be the more appropriate tags in this particular instance.
Edited by Todd Ireland on 15 May 2014 at 12:36pm
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