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FYI, for some reason, this group released three 1969 database singles (The River Is Wide/Bella Linda/Lovin' Things) with their group name as one long word, before switching back to their traditional "The Grass Roots" spelling. My "The River Is Wide" commercial 45, which is mono and confirmed as Dunhill/ABC 4187, has a listed time of (2:30), but an actual time of (2:38). Pat, the only current database CD that you have notated as the "45 version" for this song runs :12 longer than my 45 does, at (2:50), while 3 of the 4 current database CDs that you have noted as "LP version" run (2:38), exactly the same as my 45 does. Are their any specific differences you hear that enabled you to distinguish between the 45 and LP versions of the song?
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Just going from memory, the album version has thunder sound effects at the beginning which are not present on the 45. Also, as with most Dunhill 45s of that era, the single sounds like a completely different take of the song than the album version, at the very least it's mixed VERY differently.
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What's interesting is, that the Canadian RCA single of The River Is Wide does have the thunder at the start, suggesting it must be the LP version. I've this to be the case with at least a couple of other singles, where the Canadian release appears to be from the LP. For example, Neil Diamond's Red Red Wine appears to have been the album version, without the background singers.
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and another....Johnny Cash "A Boy Named Sue" CAD 45 fades in with crowd noises over the guitar, as opposed to the U.S. 45 (discussed on another thread).
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Three Dog Night's Joy To The World canadian single on RCA Victor was a mono fold-down of the album version.
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Bumping this up...
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aaronk wrote:
| Bill, this must be a case of multiple 45 pressings. I have in front of me an original styrene Dunhill stock 45 with deadwax "01299" on one side of the runout groove and "(delta)75492" on the other side. The printed time is 2:30, and the actual time is 2:38. |
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(from the "Grass Roots The Complete Original Dunhill" thread)
My 45 matches Aaron's exactly.
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I also posted in the Complete Original thread that my stock 45 runs 2:35, it's a faster pitch, with 01299 on the deadwax of side A and 01300 on the deadwax of side 2.
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Just to be clear...
At least in my case, the dead wax info that I referenced in Aaron's post
above was on the same side of the 45. That is, side A, or "The River Is
Wide", contains both the "01299" and the "(delta)75492" in the dead
wax, just on opposite sides across from each other...or at least 1/3 of a
turn. The flip side, "(You Gotta) Live For Love" has dead wax info of
"01300", and then "(delta)75492-X" about 1/4 turn away.
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My commercial copy is also the 2:38-length Monarch styrene pressing.
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Jon O, yes, I probably should have written that clearer. The deadwax info I
posted is all on the A-side of the 45. I shouldn't have used the phrase "other
side," because what I meant is exactly what you said. The "(delta)75492" is
about a 1/3 turn away from the 01299. Same side of the 45, but at different
positions, almost across from each other.
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I re-examined my copy, there is no Delta 75492 on either side. Also, side two is actually 1300-1. Very small on the A side you can see something written in that looks like "ET" (or J3 upside down). That's on both sides, but on the B side there is also something that looks like a "DT". Not type set, it's all handwritten. It's a black label stock copy but it could be a boot. I've certainly run into Dunhill boots before, Especially on "Joy to the World".
Edited by Bill Cahill on 23 March 2014 at 3:50am
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