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Pat,
Just received Sonny & Cher "Look At Us" CD on Sundazed. You indicated that it has the 45 version of "Just You" on it, and that other versions are LP version lyrics but longer.
I a/b'd the 45 version with the version from "The Beat Goes On: The Best of Sonny & Cher", and other than an extra verse from 1:34 to 2:00 and a slightly longer fade, I detect no vocal differences.
I am confused. What is the original LP length/lyrics version and how does it differ from the 45 version?
thanks as usual.
Edited by davidclark on 28 July 2006 at 8:08am
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Hi Pat,
bringing this to the top as it has quickly got buried down below. inquiring minds need to know these things...hehe
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David, you already hit the nail right on the head as you have discovered that the lyrics change starting at 1:34.
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thanks. So, the original LP version had that extra bit in the middle, but faded at 3:34 (when Sonny, I think, sings "every day...") while the versions that run 4:04 fade :30 later...
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Correct.
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Just to augment Pat & David's LP information above, my commercial 45 has both a listed and actual time of (3:25).
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todd was kind enough to send me his mono copy of the 45
version from his import cd titled 'the singles +' and it
runs 3:28 while the vinyl 45 runs 3:25.....so, as with many
many 60's songs, the cd formats are slightly slowed down
versus their 45 counterparts.....this pitch issued is easy
enough to correct, but the vinyl 45 has very slight chimes
on the intro while this cd version that todd sent me has
these chimes clipped off....luckily these chimes on the
intro are on the full length mono cd versions that run
4:04....i will ask todd to do some surgery and i will
report back when i analyze his finished product.....thanks
todd!!!
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Ed is correct... At the very beginning of Sonny & Cher's "Just You", a harmonica can be softly heard for a split second before the percussion kicks in. That harmonica is indeed clipped off the song on my Sonny & Cher The Singles + Holland import set, but I was easily able to fix it by splicing in the harmonica from one of the many other CD sources that has it.
Thanks for all the 45/CD analyses you've been contributing to this board lately, Ed. I find it especially helpful when you uncover CD sources that play at different speeds than their 45 counterparts.
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Wait so where does the 4:04 version appear originally if not on the 45 or LP? I have the US commercial 45 for Just You and it runs 3:25 and not 4:04.
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I hate to bump such an old thread but can anyone shed some light on this for me. I have a commercial USA 45 of Just You bw Sing C'est La Vie and it does not have the longer 4:04 "Single Version". Perhaps one of you with the elusive longer "Single Version" 45's could post the deadwax information so I can compare it to mine? It may be the only way because I believe all pressings listed a 3:25 time
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think a longer 45 exists. It seems to me that what the above posts are saying is this:
- LP lyrics are different than the 45
- vinyl LP timing is 3:34
- 45 timing is 3:25 (with different lyrics than LP)
- longer LP version appears on most CDs
To date, nobody has indicated that the longer LP version appeared on any vinyl copies. It may have been something first issued in the CD era.
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I see. I guess the confusion probably stems from the 1991 ATCO compilation "The Beat Goes On: The Best of Sonny and Cher". It features this longer version and is in mono. Most sources on the internet cite this version as the "Single Version". Oddly enough, a 1975 Atlantic compilation also titled "The Beat Goes On" (on vinyl) has this longer version...presumably in Stereo as the rest of the comp. The plot thickens...
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Cherbette, it is extremely common for Internet sources to make incorrect
"version" statements. Even the CD's own liner notes are often filled with
mis-statements and inaccuracies. We've already de-bunked hundreds of
them. Therefore, at this point, we give such sources little or no credibility.
Aaron's synopsis is both correct and complete. In 8/65, the "Just You" 45
debuted on BB, as Atco 6345. Both the stock and promo 45s were mono,
and run exactly (3:25). The original vinyl LP that included "Just You"
debuted in BB in 8/65, and was titled "Look At Us" (Atco 177). This LP was
initially released in both stereo and mono. The versions there ran (3:34),
and features some different lyrics than the 45 does.
Any other vinyl or CD releases for this song, that you may own now,
whether it was issued in 1975, 1991, or in any other year besides 1965, is
simply a later, "previously unreleased" length or version of "Just You".
These later-surfacing versions never appeared anywhere, during its 1965
chart run. Back then, these alternate mixes were simply filed away inside
the label vaults. This practice was extremely common at the time.
With all due respect, Cherbette, the plot here hasn't thickened at all. To
me, this case is 100% closed. I'm actually quite confused, as to why you
are still so sure something remains unresolved, as to this track's history.
If I'm still missing something here, please clarify. Thanks!
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It might be worth noting in the database that the longer version with LP lyrics first appeared on the 1975 Atco LP "The Beat Goes On..." Pat has done this for other entries where a longer version appeared on a later album. Perhaps someone with a copy of this LP can confirm that it is, indeed, the longer version that appears on many CDs and whether it is mono or stereo.
Given that the track has only appeared in mono on CD, though, I would not automatically presume that there ever was a stereo version of this song. Surely, someone would have tried to dig up a stereo version in the CD era if one existed. Even if the rest of the 1975 Atco LP is stereo, it's highly possible that "Just You" is mono.
Edited by aaronk on 10 January 2014 at 2:25pm
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So, does the above mentioned Sonny & Cher The Singles + Holland import set have the original mono 45 versions (aside form the muted harmonica) mentioned above?
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Was just a simple misunderstanding. I
thought 45 version was longer.
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aaronk wrote:
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Aaron, if by "longer version with LP lyrics," you mean the 4:04 length, then this is not the case. "Just You" on my vinyl promo copy of Atco SD-11000 (The Beat Goes On) has the LP lyrics, but runs (3:31), with a label and jacket stated time of (3:33). It is identical to the track which appeared eight years earlier on the 1967 The Best Of Sonny & Cher vinyl LP (Atco SD33-219) which runs an actual (3:32). Both of these vinyl tracks are in true stereo. The fadeouts on both tracks end quite abruptly.
But somewhere between 1967 and 1975, the sound quality of the stereo track went south. Although the 1967 LP is mastered at a lower volume than most other stereo LPs released that year, the bottom and top ends sound fine on my Columbia Terre Haute-pressed copy. On the 1975 album, the top end, in particular, is considerably attenuated, even though the track is about twice as loud as the '67 Best Of cut. Given the lack of any stereo release of the track during the CD era, it's entirely possible that the stereo master is gone and that the '75 reissue is either a needledrop or sourced from a much higher generation tape than was utilized for the '67 LP.
As for the (4:04) length, curiously, the mid-'70s black, gold & white label Atlantic Oldies Series reissue 45 states a time of (3:59), but it actually contains the (3:26) mono 45 version.
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The 1975 LP "The Beat Goes On' is currently on Ebay for sale with a scan of the label on side 1 and side 2. "Just You" shows a printed running time of (3:33)
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Yah Shure wrote:
| "Just You" on my vinyl promo copy of Atco SD-11000 (The Beat Goes On) has the LP lyrics, but runs (3:31), with a label and jacket stated time of (3:33). It is identical to the track which appeared eight years earlier on the 1967 The Best Of Sonny & Cher vinyl LP (Atco SD33-219) which runs an actual (3:32). Both of these vinyl tracks are in true stereo. |
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John, thank you for checking your copies, sir. I was only going by the information presented earlier in the thread where it was stated this album contained the longer version. Myth debunked! And also thanks for the information that a true stereo version does exist.
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Aaron, I knew you were only the messenger. Sorry if it might have appeared otherwise.
In further comparing the two vinyl tracks, I did notice that the distortion present when Sonny sings the second verse (especially noticeable on the words "don't know") on my 1967 album is also apparent at the same spot on the '75 LP. Ditto for the major sibilance distortion in the left channel on Sonny's opening "sometimes." If these were present on the stereo masters, it could have been another reason why CD reissues have opted for mono.
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