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Here's an odd one for the class. This never charted, but was the B-side of "Ride Like The Wind" and apparently was an edit of the LP version (which ran (5:55)--Discogs says the 45 ran (4:00)).
Anybody know whether the 45 can be extracted? Thx.
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Can't answer your question, but on my copy of RLTW,
"Minstrel Gigolo" shows a listed time of 5:20. The 4:00
version is on the B side of "Arthur's Theme".
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Looks like there are two versions of the "Ride Like The Wind" 45--there's an RE-1 designation on the label that has (4:00) as the listed time for "Minstrel Gigolo." The original one has no RE-1 designation and is listed at (5:20).
Edited by sriv94 on 21 October 2013 at 8:44am
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I have 3 versions of "Minstrel Gigolo" in the vinyl records.
The self-titled "Christopher Cross" vinyl LP (Warner BSK 3383)
The listed time "6:00" The actual running time (6:02)
The B side of the "Ride Like The Wind" 45 (Warner WBS 49184) --Not "RE" description in the run-out groove"
The listed time "5:20" The actual running time (5:18) --EARLY FADE OF THE LP--
The B side of the "Arthur's Theme (Best That You Can Do)" 45 (Warner WBS 49787)
The listed time "4:00" with "Edit" description on the record label. The actual running time (3:56) --EARLY FADE OF THE LP--
Although the B side of the "Arthur's Theme" 45 has "Edit" description. Strangely, it doesn't have an edited point. The fade-out starts from 3:42.
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Domo arigato, Abagon! :)
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I think the 4:00 version of "Minstrel Gigolo" is the far more common B-side of "Ride LIke the Wind". I don't think I've ever seen one with the 5:20 version, except for once on e-bay, which I passed on. The 4:00 B-side is easy to find.
I wonder what the reasoning was behind editing a B-side, especially when it was an artists first single.
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One thing I just learned making the fade. The opening guitar strum is actually part of the negative track index following "Sailing" on the Christopher Cross CD. So if you don't paste it in the opening will sound truncated.
And perhaps enough radio stations were flipping over the record to warrant an early fade of the B-side (which itself was an early fade of the LP). You're right that most B-sides were issued as was from the LP.
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sriv94 wrote:
And perhaps enough radio stations were flipping over the
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Except that most stations would have been serviced with a
mono/stereo promo copy. I don't think I ever heard
"Minstrel Gigolo" on the air.
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That's a point. I guess Ian's question still stands. :)
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My guess to the answer to the question is twofold:
Vinyl jukebox operators were still a reasonably potent industry force & they hated long singles (because of taking away from profit as well as skipping issues). People at a bar would try a b-side of a cut they liked.
Also, the industry was beginning to try desperately to get people to buy the album instead of the 45. So singles customers might see that both sides were edited & buy the LP. Warners in particular was known for that (such as labeling "Rhiannon" 'Edit' instead of 'Remix'. Other singles were labeled 'Edit' when there was only a few seconds off the fade, etc.)
Pure speculation on my part...
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Interesting analysis. I think I've noted on here in the past that, in the early '80s, most commercial singles were edited although longer versions were sometimes available on promo singles.
By the mid-late '80s, it had reversed. Quite often a short promo-edit was available to radio but the LP version was on the commercial 45. Geffen, for example, did that quite a bit.
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
Warners in particular was known
for that (such as labeling "Rhiannon" 'Edit' instead of
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Rhiannon was an edit (instrumental bridge just before the
final chorus was edited off the single version). Maybe
you're thinking of "Say You Love Me".
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Hykker wrote:
Rhiannon was an edit (instrumental bridge just before the final chorus was edited off the single version). Maybe you're thinking of "Say You Love Me".
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While "Rhiannon" was an edit, there's extra guitar work during some points of the song on the 45, so you can't correctly replicate the 45 from the LP. I don't know if I'd call it a remix or an overdub.
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It was both remixed and overdubbed. Listen to the full-blown harmonies on the single remix of the word "sky" in the near-ending line "taken by the sky". Listen to the lame "sky" on the original LP version.
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