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My commercial 45, confirmed as Imperial 66075, with deadwax info of "IM
6014", has a listed time of (2:29), but an actual time of (2:38). The three
current db CDs that include the original recording of this song run (2:37),
(2:38) and (2:39).
Pat, I also happened to be doing research recently, on a low-charting
personal fave song of mine by him, called "Right Relations", to see if
perhaps it had come out somewhere on CD, domestic or import, during
the past decade. I found good news. There was a domestically released,
EMI-Capitol Special Markets (it also lists "GSC Music" and
www.timelessmusic.com), 3-CD set, "36 All-Time Greatest Hits", #15156.
This set is not currently in your db. It has every one of his Imperial & UA
db hits, but not the last three, on Epic & Big Tree. At a quick glance, this
comp also includes 8 other, lower Hot 100 entries of his, that are not on
the old Rhino 2-CD set. I remember seeing a ton of these very-affordable
3-CD sets, at places like Circuit City, back in the day. But I never saw this
particular one before. It is obviously OOP, but I was recently able to pick
one up on-line. Very happy with it.
If this set proves too difficult for you to locate, Pat (and it was no picnic
for me to find), just ask, and I'll give you one of my "guest reviews" on it.
Let me know....
Edited by jimct on 12 July 2013 at 7:16pm
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I have a handful of these 36 All-Time Greatest Hits 3-CD artist compilations on the GSC/Timeless Music label. I remember seeing a number of these titles available at Sam's Club years ago. If Pat wishes to start including them in the database, I can do "guest reviews" for my copies as well. (The Brenda Lee release in particular contains several Top 40 hits not available anywhere else on CD!)
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I spoke with the owner of GSC many years ago and after explaining my publication, we mutually agreed that the GSC product did not make a good fit for inclusion in my book (now database) so I have never bothered since to even think about including GSC titles.
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Pat, would it be acceptable for someone to start a "36 All-Time Greatest Hits" thread and note the available top 40 singles on a given set, on this board? I know I would certainly find something like that useful. The only set I have from that company is the Lettermen and it's among the worst sounding cd collections I own, but it may be possible that someone else on this board may find information others can provide about the various releases somewhat useful. For example I don't know what is on the Brenda Lee set that is unavailable elsewhere...
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Tom:
I'm pretty sure the tracks on the GSC/Timeless 36 All-Time Greatest Hits series are simply dubbed from existing CD compilations by each featured artist/band, so I don't believe any new mastering is undertaken. However, I've found the sound quality on GSC/Timeless releases to generally be very good because the tracks mostly appear to be dubbed from early to mid-'90s CD compilations which usually don't contain the overly loud "brickwalled" audio levels and squashed dynamic range typical of modern CDs. You also get a pretty good representation of an artist/band's Billboard Hot 100 singles output on most of these collections. On the downside, the GSC/Timeless compilations contain no liner notes whatsoever (these were clearly intended to be budget releases) and I've never understood why these 36 track sets were spread out over three CDs when they could have just as easily fit onto two discs.
The very difficult to find Brenda Lee 36 All-Time Greatest Hits set is the only one where I've found first-time CD appearances of Top 40 hits. You can read more about in the Brenda Lee "Just a Little" thread.
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Todd, my Johnny Rivers 3-CD set also has several "never before on CD"
tracks. Personally, I don't know where that "they've simply been dubbed from
existing CD compilations" statement first came from, but I believe it to be
inaccurate....
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The Lettermen collection couldn't have been since most of those songs hadn't previously been on cd, and they sound like 10th generation open reel dubs. They're certainly not using any of the Ron Furmanek remixes on the set.
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Years ago, I uploaded some tracks onto my digital editing software from several of the GSC/Timeless 3-CD sets I own and directly compared them to equivalent tracks on other artist best-of compilations in my collection. I seem to remember the wave files looking awfully similar and therefore I wound up getting rid of some of those older best-of compilations as a result. Of course, now I no longer have those discs to compare. It's possible I'm wrong about the tracks being dubbed from other CDs, but then I have to wonder for what other reason would I have gotten rid of those older best-of discs then if the mastering wasn't identical to the GSC/Timeless releases?
I should also emphasize that when I mention Brenda Lee's 36 All-Time Greatest Hits being the only GSC/Timeless compilation I've seen containing first time CD appearances, I'm referring specifically to the Top 40 hits. I'm not speaking for the rest of the tracks on these compilations.
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Feel free to post any reviews you desire on the GSC label.
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Todd, I think Tom and I are making the same point here.
If there are tracks making their CD debut on these "36 All-Time Greatest
Hits" 3-CD sets, than it is a physical impossibility that *all* tracks on them
"are simply dubbed from existing CD compilations by each featured
artist/band." Those two statements completely contradict each other.
I understand that you have done some sonic research on some Top 40
hits. Your point that *those* tracks are cloned from other CDs is highly
likely. Ron's excellent research has pointed that out on countless
occasions.
I am sorry that Tom is so unhappy with the quality of his Lettermen comp.
I don't own that one. All I'm speaking about now is my Johnny Rivers set.
(Although I also own others in this series, like Glen Campbell and Kris
Kristofferson, and they also sound excellent. All 36 tracks. High charters.
Low charters. No charters. And whether the song is making its CD debut
or not.) Since GSC associated with EMI-Capitol Special Products on these,
they had clearly gone through the proper channels, to obtain the original
masters, for transfer to CD, in cases where that was necessary......
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Ok, I stand corrected then... Some tracks on the GSC/Timeless series appear be dubbed from previously released CDs, while others are not.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
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That's a statement I can agree with -- or that some GSC/Timeless cds use the same digital master as issued on another cd and used just what was provided by the record company.
Jim, for the Lettermen set, the songs sound like 10th generation tape dubs with loads of hiss. According to Gary Pike of the Lettermen, that is just how all of their album masters at Capitol sound because they weren't well taken care of. He sent me cd's of some of their albums off of his own mint vinyl copies that sounded quite a bit better.
It would've been nice to have all of their albums reissued on cd in new stereo mixes from the session tapes (which sound better than the original album masters, and the Capitol Collector's Series cd proves that) but I'm just dreaming...
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jimct wrote:
I also happened to be doing research recently, on a low-charting
personal fave song of mine by him, called "Right Relations", to see if
perhaps it had come out somewhere on CD, domestic or import, during
the past decade. I found good news. There was a domestically released,
EMI-Capitol Special Markets (it also lists "GSC Music" and
www.timelessmusic.com), 3-CD set, "36 All-Time Greatest Hits", #15156. |
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Note that on that CD, "Right Relations" fades out a full minute earlier than on the original 45, which runs approximately 5:00. (Both the single and the CD track are mono.)
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Randy, it's so great to see you here on Pat's board. Many thanks to you for all
you do for us oldies music enthusiasts, elsewhere on the 'Net!
FYI, the version of "Right Relations" on the GSC 3-CD is the DJ 45 short
version. There were two different promo 45s issued for it, back in 1968. One
has the (5:00) stock 45 length, while the other has a listed (4:05) length,
with "A Better Life" on the flip side.
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