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Posted: 23 May 2007 at 3:46am | IP Logged Quote jimct
Pat, my commercial 45, which is mono, has a listed time of (2:44) and an actual time of (2:43). I only post this because the database currently specifies for this song that "45s state a time of (2:44), but actually run (2:50)." My commercial 45's deadwax info is "01605".
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Posted: 23 May 2007 at 7:00am | IP Logged Quote Pat Downey
I do not have the commercial copy of this 45 Jim but my dj copy on the mono side runs (2:43) while on the stereo side it runs (2:50) even though the label states a running time of (2:44) on both sides
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Posted: 29 December 2007 at 8:10pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg
Just got a stereo Collectables 45 in for this. Anyone have any knowledge - did they use the LP or stereo 45 version for this?
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Posted: 29 December 2007 at 8:30pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg
It appears to be the stereo LP version, running 2:55.

Besides mono/stereo mix differences, can the LP version be edited to match the 45 length?
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Posted: 30 December 2007 at 11:03am | IP Logged Quote eriejwg
After hearing the edits (thanks, Bill), I chose the stereo 45 edit.

Very simple to recreate the stereo 45 version.

Keep 00:00-03.00
Delete 03.00-06.57
Keep 06.57-2:55.00

Edited by eriejwg on 30 December 2007 at 11:25am
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Posted: 30 December 2007 at 11:53am | IP Logged Quote The Hits Man
The 45 fades a bit earlier than the LP version too.

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Posted: 30 December 2007 at 11:58am | IP Logged Quote eriejwg
The last words on my fade I hear is...

..."you're gonna..."
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Posted: 22 February 2009 at 12:08pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
Is the stereo DJ 45 side of "Keeper of the Castle" identical to the LP version?
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Posted: 22 February 2009 at 3:56pm | IP Logged Quote jimct
I'm 99.9% sure it is, Todd. The difference is in the intro. The LP/stereo 45 starts with FOUR, 7-note electric guitar segments, before the drums kick in with the first loud, "bum-bum-bum-bum" sequence. But for both the mono promo & stock 45's, the opening electric guitar segments have been sliced down, from four to just two. I haven't checked on the "earlier mono promo/stock 45 fade" info that Grant posted earlier in this thread. Assuming it is true, though, I believe the two versions to be otherwise identical.
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Posted: 22 February 2009 at 10:57pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
Thanks, Jim!
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Posted: 25 February 2009 at 6:29am | IP Logged Quote The Hits Man
eriejwg wrote:
The last words on my fade I hear is...

..."you're gonna..."


The final words of the fadeout on my commercial 45 is "with a tear of their own...".

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Posted: 25 February 2009 at 7:33am | IP Logged Quote eriejwg
The Hits Man wrote:

The final words of the fadeout on my commercial 45 is "with a tear of their own...".


That's the point at which the mono side of the DJ 45 fades out. The point where mine fades out matches the stereo side.
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Posted: 25 February 2009 at 7:35am | IP Logged Quote eriejwg
And runs 2:50. So, it's possible Jim's commercial 45, running 2:43, matches the mono side of the DJ 45.
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Posted: 23 March 2013 at 9:19am | IP Logged Quote edtop40
thx john for providing me with his re-creation.....my
commercial 45 issued as dunhill/abc 4330 which lists a run
time on the label as 2:44 but actually runs 2:43 and
matches john re-creation perfectly.....the run out groove
info is '(J\O) 50910'....and the last word i can hear on my
45 is 'with a tear of their own'....

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Posted: 23 March 2013 at 11:50pm | IP Logged Quote The Hits Man
edtop40 wrote:
thx john for providing me with his re-
creation.....my
commercial 45 issued as dunhill/abc 4330 which lists a run
time on the label as 2:44 but actually runs 2:43 and
matches john re-creation perfectly.....the run out groove
info is '(J\O) 50910'....and the last word i can hear on
my
45 is 'with a tear of their own'....
   That's
exactly how my commercial mono 45 ends too.

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Posted: 13 May 2013 at 8:09pm | IP Logged Quote KentT
The yellow label 1973 era Goldies 45 pressings were some of the last to use original mono stampers. And my styrene copies sound really good being NOS pressings.

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