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Pat:
According to the database, Marcie Blane's "Bobby's Girl" has a run time of 2:15 on the History Of Rock Volume 5 CD (Collectables 5065). However, I thought I'd point out that I have the 2002 reissue of this CD and the song runs 2:23 on my copy.
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my commercial 45 for the marcie blane song "bobby's girl"
issued as seville 120 states the run time on the label as
2:15 but actually only runs 2:10.....you'll need to pitch
up the 2:23 stereo version to 141.50bpm and then fade the
last 0:09 from 2:01 to 2:10 to effectively re-create the
true vinyl 45 version.....i think the 2:15 versions in the
db need to be pitched up as well...this actual 45 run time
info s/b added to the db...
Edited by edtop40 on 03 July 2012 at 3:28pm
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My commercial copy, issued as Seville 45-120 has a listed time of (2:15) but an actual time of (2:16). It is a styrene pressing with the multicolored logo at top and the only info listed in the trail out is handwritten S9049-1B.
This was the only copy of the 45 I had properly filed away at my storage locker when I went to pull some 45s today, but I do know elsewhere in the locker I have a vinyl copy with the logo in plain silver lettering at the top (Ed, by any chance is this similar to your pressing?) which i will look for on a future visit to the locker.
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Today I was able to locate (in an box of unfiled 45s in my storage locker) my copy of my other pressing of this 45, with the plain Seville Record Inc. logo at the top of the label in silver. It is listed as Seville 45-120 and the listed time on the label is (2:15) but the actual time is (2:13).
This is a vinyl pressing from the Monarch pressing plant (obvious from the label print style). In the deadwax are the letters PR which have been crossed out, followed by S9049-1F and elsewhere in the deadwax is delta 44353.
The very last two seconds of the song are EXTREMELY faint and barely audible over the copious amounts of surface noise my 45 has (which is a ton as this VG+ 45 appears to have been pressed on heavily recycled vinyl -- some copies I see on ebay look like they likely used even cheaper vinyl than this -- or at least a cheaper label printer style!). If you don't have the volume very loud, the song would appear to end with "I Wanna be", but boosting my volume on my digital dub from that point only, I can detect "bobby's girl" still fading out.
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my 45 is the generic black and silver one and the run out
groove info is 'S 9049'....hope this helps...
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I just received an email asking me to look into the Bobby's Girl situation as there appear to be multiple pressings of this 45 with differing lengths and speeds! Based on previous posts, I have entered the comment "slower than the 45" but this is probably not true for at least some of the 45 pressings.
First here is the information regarding my 45. Seville 120 with matrix number etched into the dead wax of AG 19051-1 with no other etchings in the dead wax. This matrix number is also printed on the label (minus the -1). As for the label itself, mine has SEVILLE in multiple colors and is curved. Now for the specifics: Total time is (2:13), stated time is (2:15). At 2:03 Marcie begins her "I Wanna Be Bobby's Girl" and she repeats this for a total of 3 times ending with the word "I" which would start the 4th repetition. How does this information stack up with what is on various cd's in the database? Well here is the information I found for the following cd's:
DCC 077 Too Cute -- the "I Wanna Be Bobby's Girl" sequence starts at 2:03 and is repeated 3 times + the 3 words I Wanna Be from the 4th repetition. Total running time is (2:15) and is identical in speed to my 45.
Eric 11503 Hard To Find 45s On CD Volume II -- the "I Wanna Be Bobby's Girl" sequence begins at 2:03 and is repeated 6 times with a total running time of (2:23) and is identical in speed to my 45.
Varese 6008 Discoveries Presents Stereo Oldies -- The "I Wanna Be Bobby's Girl" sequence begins at 2:03 and is repeated almost 6 times (missing just the final word girl) with a total running time of (2:22) and again is identical to my 45 in speed.
This information does not agree with some of the posts above in terms of speed, vinyl running time, matrix number and label layout so let's reopen this discussion to see if we can make any sense of this Bobby's Girl situation. I find it hard to believe there are so many different pressings of this 45 as reported above.
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London Records, which distributed the Seville label, kept "Bobby's Girl" in print for many years under the original catalog number. It was one of many titles packaged during the '60s in a black-and-gold sleeve with white print, with "Top Hits Of Yesterday & Today" "Demand Performance" in capital letters at the top, and several artists, titles and labels listed under the center hole. Those listed included records on the XYZ, Felsted, Seville, Splash, Shell, S.P.Q.R., Terrace and Garpax labels, "Bobby's Girl" being among them. The reverse side listed titles on the Hi label.
I bought my copy of "Bobby's Girl" in the oldies section at Musicland around 1969-70, by which time the Demand Performance sleeve had been retired in favor of the plain white variety. It's a Columbia Terre Haute styrene pressing with the multi-color, curved-letter Seville logo found on the original 1962 release. The title and artist fonts are thicker and bolder than the fonts found on most 1962 Columbia-pressed copies. Deadwax reads "AG 19051 - 1 Bell Sound script logo TIII." It matches Pat's copy exactly, running 2:13 and fading out on the fourth "I." Listed time is 2:15.
In addition to the multiple record pressers and plants involved over the years (Columbia, Monarch, etc.) "Bobby's Girl" was also counterfeited by Richard Minor during the mid-'70s. These copies were on matte black labels, with faint silver print and a plain-lettered SEVILLE RECORD INC. logo straight across the top. Sound quality is what you'd expect from a needle-dropped 45, with channels coming and going during the first half-minute (especially on the beginning of the intro) and topped off with an early fadeout at 2:10. Deadwax on my fake reads: "34U S-9049X". Listed time is 2:15.
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Pat I have forwarded you my email containing the dub of my 45 I made and emailed to Ed last year...which was a lot easier than me trying to find where I have misplaced the 45 since then!
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yah shure.....it looks like i have one of the 'fake', re-issued copies of the song, then......i'll have to track down an original copy....thanks
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Who is Richard Minor? Was he a major record counterfeiter of that time?
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Minor was based out of Stuart, Florida, and was arrested by the Feds in 1982. Google "Richard Minor" and "counterfeit" to get an idea of how large his operation was.
I did knowingly buy a few of his Buddy Holly Coral 45 counterfeits in the early '80s for my jukebox, as they were otherwise unobtainable at the time. They actually didn't sound too bad (especially compared to his shrill "Bobby's Girl" fake.) Unfortunately, his "I'm Gonna Love You Too" pressing's trail-out groove stopped too far away from the label, so it would never trip the change mechanism. I ended up replacing that copy with an original Coral.
"It Doesn't Matter Anymore" actually sounded fairly decent, although there was no mistaking it for the real McCoy. The Minor knockoff was in true stereo and pressed on comapartively quiet, orangish-gold vinyl.
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Pat, I have just pulled and timed my 45 copy. The word "Seville" is multi-
colored, with curved lettering, as John references. My info exactly matches
Tom's findings above. Listed (2:15); actual (2:16), with deadwax of "S9049-
1B" (although I think I also see a very small "Y", in the upper left, just before
the first "S".) The unique, small-letter font, used on my "Bobby's Girl" 45
details, exactly mirrors what I know for a fact was used on the many other,
approximately 200+ London and London-associated, 1962-1963 era 45s I
currently own, both hit and non-hit, that were pressed by Columbia.)
Edited by jimct on 26 April 2013 at 6:55pm
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Thanks to all that have helped straighten out the diverse information previously included in the database.
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i just received my orange, white and gold lettered version
vinyl 45 for marcie blane's 'bobby's girl' issued as
seville 120 with a listed run time of 2:15 and actual time
of 2:16.....you'll need to fade out the 2:23 stereo cd
version for 0:08 from 2:08 to 2:16 to effectively re-create
the true vinyl 45 version......so much for my fake 2:10 all
black and white style 45 from the top of the post...i guess
i should trash that fake!!!...
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Ed, hang onto the fake. Its physical appearance is characteristic of many other Richard Minor "mishaps," and by keeping it for comparison's sake, you'll be able to spot other of his counterfeits in a heartbeat. In that regard, it's a useful educational tool... especially if it saves you from shelling out more substantial dough for some of the more collectible titles he counterfeited. Luckily for us, 3-D printing capability didn't exist back in his day!
On the other hand, now that it does exist, you never know when the next counterfeiter might pop up.
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