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crapfromthepast
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I have two different mixes of this song, and I'm not sure which one was the hit.
I have one on a Canadian compilation called Big Hits '89 (PolyTel Canada 840568 2, 1989), which should be the LP mix from the Bangles album Everything. All the other tracks on this compilation are LP versions, so that would make sense.
I have another mix on the Bangles' Greatest Hits (Columbia 46125, 1990), which runs the same length - about 3:00 - but has the vocals mixed farther forward and omits the tambourine that's present on the LP mix. The Greatest Hits CD has a special "mixed by" credit for this one track. Odd that they would include a non-LP mix for this song and not for "Hero Takes A Fall", although the 45 mix for "Hero" turns up on Rhino's "Just Can't Get Enough" series.
So which was the hit? Was there a promo CD for this song? Was the new mix done especially for Greatest Hits, or was this the single version from Everything?
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Had to listen to this track online on Napster as I don't have it ripped on my hard drive. Perhaps, Jim could shed some light on this one as the song didn't remotely sound familiar either way. Must have been one of their final charting hits according to the database.
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I didn't realize that was a different mix on Greatest Hits. I don't have the 45 of "Be With You", but it was played on the radio in my area at the time, and they played the LP version. Someone with the commercial 45 would need to weigh in on this.
Interestingly, Greatest Hits also contains a radically different mix of "I'll Set You Free", which never even charted and I never heard on the radio.
In addition, Greatest Hits contains the 45 mix of "Walking Down Your Street", which I always liked much better than the LP version.
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I have just sent eriejwg an mp3 of my promo CD single (CSK 1569), which features one track, and has both a listed & actual time of (3:01), for his analysis.
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Jim: Thanks for the track to analyze!
After listening to "Be With You" from Jim's promo single, online to the track on Napster from Everything and
We Are The 80's and Greatest Hits, I detected no difference in any of the versions.
And, ya know what, I still don't remember the song!
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Quick question about "Hero Takes A Fall:"
I have both mixes, but am not sure which is the single mix.
One has "wet," gated-reverb type drums and seems duller overall.
The other has "dry," crisp drums, seems brighter in general, and is perhaps a drier mix overall as the vocals seem to stand out a bit more. Also, it sounds like there might have been a dynamics compressor used on this mix, as it has a "pop" and "slap" characteristic of analog single-band compressors.
I'm suspecting the "dry" mix was the single mix; can anyone confirm?
Edited by NightAire on 07 April 2013 at 11:33pm
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OK, I have both the "Everything" and greatest hits CDs.
I love this song, too.
This is a digital multitrack recording that was mixed to
analog. The "Everything" album came out in 1988, anf the
Greatest Hits album just two years later. I compared the
two songs and have concluded that they are the same mix.
However, there are three possibilities for the difference
in sound.
1. They used different tape generations, with the
original album being sonically inferior. It sounds like
it could be a bad tape copy to me.
2. The mastering is wildly different between the two.
3. It's a combination of both, which makes me desire a
remastered "Everything" CD.
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Hits Man, are you referring to "Be With You" or "Hero Takes A Fall?"
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NightAire wrote:
Hits Man, are you referring to "Be With
You" or "Hero Takes A Fall?" |
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"Be With You", the
topic of this thread.
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Re: Be With You
I didn't remember this song either, so i just played it,
great song!
I was now curious to hear these two very different
masters...so i compared the version from "Everything" and
the one on "Greatest Hits".
As Hits Man noted, it struck immediately how "flat" the
album version sounds compared to the Greatest Hits copy
which has more depth, clarity and less compression.
Then i started noticing little details - and these 2
versions are indeed different mixes.
Now,
it's hard to a/b, but almost every track within the mix
is placed ever so slightly differently, and uses
different reverb. The drum track especially -
the snares have different reverb, some backing vocals
are placed differently; strings, guitars etc... ALL very
subtle but once you hear them - you know.
Here are a few places to help hear the differences:
-First, just so we know the channels are not reversed,
the drums start at :04, and
both mixes have a "twirlly" synth effect that occurs in
the right channel at :05.
-At this point, notice the LP version has a "hi-hat" type
percussion over to the right, at about 2 o'clock.
This same hi-hat in the Greatest Hits is on the left, at
about 10 o'clock.
-At about :11 just before the vocal starts, on LP
version, a low synth, a little like a mellotron, is
turned up *before* she says "out my window". On the
Greatest Hits version, that synth suddenly cuts in with
her vocal, not before.
-Also as soon as vocal comes in on LP, a loud electric
guitar note is hit with every snare - the note is loud
and almost in the center, at about 11 o'clock.
But on Greatest Hits, this guitar is mixed hard right, at
3o'clock.
-At about :30 sec in, there is a elec. guitar overdub as
she sings "in the distance i hear a sound"....
on the LP that guitar overdub starts on the right and
pans left. But on Greatest Hits, it is mixed just off
center to the right, and does not pan.
-On the LP - there is a tambourine persent in the entire
mix (mentioned by Ron in his first post).
It is low, and in the dead center. But as the song
progresses, they turn it up a bit. You can hear it more
clearly in the 2nd verse, and 2nd chorus.
Still having trouble hearing it? Check the drum rolls at
1:37, and 2:11. They smack the tambourine in the middle
of those drum rolls.
The tambourine is not present at all in the Greatest Hits
mix.
You get the picture... if you keep a/b-ing thru-out, you
notice more little panning and level differences.
So, either one of them is the 45 mix, OR the 45 was the
same as the LP and they remixed it for the Greatest Hits
album.
If i have to chose a mix, hands down the Greatest Hits
mix is sonically superior for me in every way.
MM
Edited by MMathews on 08 April 2013 at 6:08pm
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The version on Everything is the LP mix (obviously),
with the tambourine throughout.
I'm 99% sure that the version on Greatest Hits is
the 45 mix (no tambourine throughout). I don't have the 45
handy, but if you use Google to find images for the song,
you'll see a "Remixed by Chris Lord-Alge" credit on all the
singles.
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Mark, I agree, the Greatest Hits version sounds superior,
but I was hard pressed to hear that it is a remix. I'll
bet money that 45 was the remix, but i'll have to track it
down to confirm it.
I have read where people claim the 45 of "In Your Room" is
also a different mix. I only have the "Everything" album
and the GH album. I will have to get a copy of it and
report back to you all.
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Since there is no single version noted in the database, does anyone know if the version on the "We Are The '80s" Bangles compilation is the single or LP version?
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I can now confirm that the version on Greatest Hits
is what's on the 45. Both are a different mix than the LP
version.
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