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edtop40
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Posted: 01 November 2007 at 3:51pm \| IP Logged

my commercial 45, issued as atlantic 3035, states a run time of 2:46 but actually runs 2:42 and matches some of the run times listed in the db.....i have the 2:46 version and i just needed to fade out the last few seconds to get the proper match....this accounts for the differing run times in the db......this should be noted in the db....

Edited by edtop40 on 01 November 2007 at 8:05pm

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Posted: 01 November 2007 at 11:28pm \| IP Logged

Ed, I timed my "Waterloo" commercial 45 a few months ago, and I did report any findings for it, since my 45 has a listed time of (2:46) and an actual time of (2:45). My deadwax info is "ST-A-28815-1".

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Posted: 20 April 2009 at 7:42pm \| IP Logged

I thought I'd bump up this thread since neither Ed nor Jim's timing info was incorporated into the database. Meanwhile, the song's CD appearances run from 2:40-2:46.

Edited by Todd Ireland on 20 April 2009 at 7:44pm

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Posted: 14 April 2013 at 9:34pm \| IP Logged

I only bring up this very minor point for database consideration since Pat typically notes the exact artist credits on single releases... Commercial 45 copies of "Waterloo" officially list the artist as: ABBA (Bjorn, Benny, Anna & Frida) on the record label.

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Posted: 15 April 2013 at 2:26pm \| IP Logged

I did not enter a time for this 45 as there seems to be a difference of opinion as to whether the actual running time is (2:42) or (2:45).

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Posted: 15 April 2013 at 5:38pm \| IP Logged

Actually, both 45 run times for "Waterloo" are currently entered in the database, so we're okay there. (I suspect Jim and Ed may have two different pressings that slightly differ in length.) My previous post was simply intended to point out the full artist credit as stated on commercial 45 copies (since that type of info usually gets a "released as by" comment in the database next to the song title).

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Posted: 15 April 2013 at 8:31pm \| IP Logged

Here are my actual "Waterloo" timings:

(2:45) Plastic Products DJ (stereo side): ST A 28815-4

(2:45) Plastic Products stock: ST A 28815-3

(2:44) Monarch stock: ST A2 8815-5 delta 94665

The Monarch cuts off abruptly, at the same moment the trail-out groove kicks in with a "whoomp." The two Plastic Products pressings sound identical, with the beginning of a extra "whoa" that was lopped off of the Monarch.

And none of them were credited to "BBAF" or "FABB." ;)

Edited by Yah Shure on 15 April 2013 at 8:36pm

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Posted: 15 April 2013 at 9:56pm \| IP Logged

Todd is right, though:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ABBA-WATERLOO-45-RPM-/360621185224?p t=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item53f6b298c8#ht_90wt_1091

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Posted: 16 April 2013 at 4:35pm \| IP Logged

Yah Shure, it's interesting that out of all your "Waterloo" 45s, none of them are on the Atlantic label which issued all of ABBA's singles in the U.S. I realize that song was the group's very first chart hit in America so I'm guessing you obtained some early pressings released prior to ABBA inking their major label distribution deal with Atlantic.

For what it's worth, my copy of Joel Whitburn's Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits 1955-1999 lists the commercial 45 of "Waterloo" on Atlantic 3035 and officially credits the artist as ABBA (Bjorn, Benny, Anna & Frida)

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Posted: 16 April 2013 at 6:38pm \| IP Logged

Just to compare another copy, my Atlantic DJ promo has the listed time of 2:46 and running time of 2:45 on both the mono and stereo sides. A 28815-1 and STA 28815-2. Mono side sounds like a simple fold down of the stereo.

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Posted: 16 April 2013 at 8:35pm \| IP Logged

Todd Ireland wrote:

Yah Shure, it's interesting that out of all your "Waterloo" 45s, none of them are on the Atlantic label

Todd, I was kidding about BBAF and FABB; that was poking fun at Atlantic's use of "Frida" in the parenthetical artist names on the label, rather than Anni-Frid. All three of my Atlantic 45s have the "ABBA (Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky.... uh... sorry, wrong record... "ABBA (Bjorn, Benny, Anna & Frida) artist credit, as do the front and back cover and labels on the Atlantic Waterloo vinyl LP.

Plastic Products and Monarch were two of the three primary independent pressing plants Atlantic contracted to manufacture the label's U.S. 45s in 1974. Plastic Products generally shipped their Atlantic singles to Waterloo, Iowa, along with the central and southern states, while Monarch handled the west (with styrene product.) The third primary pressing plant was Specialty Records (no relation to Art Rupe's L.A.-based record label) in Olyphant, PA, which shipped its ABBA singles to the eastern states.

The deadwax matrix numbers are important identifiers, of course, but in Atlantic's case, also knowing where the single was pressed provides a clearer picture of where a particular pressing variant (like the kind we often dissect right here) was most likely to have been sold.

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Posted: 19 April 2013 at 8:11pm \| IP Logged

Thank goodness the group and label didn't elect to go with the name "FABB"! ;-)

While we're at it, does anyone have a copy of ABBA's Waterloo vinyl LP who can pass along the title track's run time?

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Posted: 19 April 2013 at 9:25pm \| IP Logged

Sure thing, Todd: 2:46 (just barely.)

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Posted: 19 April 2013 at 9:30pm \| IP Logged

Thank you sir!

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