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the db states that the cd entries that run 2:45 are
remixed......i have one of this versions and it sounds the
same as my vinyl 45, except for the mono/stereo
differences.....what makes it remixed?
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The stereo separation on the percussion and bass is panned somewhat harder to the left and right on the remix, opening up a bit of a hole down the middle. The instrumentation is also pushed back in the overall mix, while the vocals are pushed forward, making them easier to understand (I'd never even noticed the "hey-hey" toward the end on the original stereo mix, but it sure leaped out on the remix.) There's also much less compression on the remix.
Overall, the remix sounds crisper and clearer, yet more lethargic compared to the punch and driving energy of the original stereo mix and the mono 45. The original mix rocks more.
Edited by Yah Shure on 25 November 2012 at 9:22pm
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How does the ending compare between the remix and the original album vs single mixes? ISTR the single having a fairly "normal" cold ending, but the album version ended with a crash.
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Good call, Steve. I used these sources to compare the endings:
* Ode 115 (mono 45) (2:37 listed, 2:39 actual)
* JCI CD 3103 Electric Sixties (original stereo LP mix)
* Legacy promo CD CSK-04925 Rock Artifacts - 27 Cut Preview (stereo remix)
The endings of the three mixes do differ. I folded the endings of the two stereo mixes in order to directly compare them with the mono 45:
Mono 45: piano glissando is quite buried, followed by drumroll. No crash. Decay on cold ending is truncated.
Original stereo LP mix: piano glissando is a tad less buried than on the 45. The crash completely obliterates any sign of the drumroll.
On the original vinyl The Family That Plays Together LP, the cold ending of "Got A Line" shifts over to the left channel as it segues into track two, with the opening piano notes of "It Shall Be" plainly audible in the right channel as "Got A Line"'s sustained cold ending decays. The overlapping piano notes are also audible on the Electric Sixties CD before the track is quickly faded out. These piano notes - which are not on the mono 45 - are still audible when folded to mono.
Stereo remix: piano glissando is easily heard. Drumroll is more prominent than on the mono 45 mix. No crash. The cold ending is not panned to the left channel and is allowed to decay longer than on the original stereo LP mix, since it does not segue into "It Shall Be."
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Yah Shure wrote:
| Overall, the remix sounds crisper and clearer, yet more lethargic compared to the punch and driving energy of the original stereo mix and the mono 45. The original mix rocks more. |
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Chiming in a bit late here, but forget those early 45/LP/remix versions from 1968-69 - IMO, the DEFINITIVE version of this song was the one released by the band in 1984. :-) I was just a young'un when the hit version of "I Got a Line on You" cracked the top 40 in the Winter of '69, but I remember hearing it on the radio occasionally as a kid during the '70s, and thinking it was okay - nothing great. Heck, at that time, I didn't even know the name of the group that performed it...
Flash forward to 1984, and I'm a teen in HS soaking up this newly-acquired cable TV channel, called MTV (first got it in late '83). Fans still following this band know that the original five-man line-up reunited in 1982, and recorded new/updated versions of many of their classic hits, including "I Got a Line on You". They then re-signed w/ Mercury (the label they'd been w/ in the mid to late '70s), and in mid '84 released a new album w/ those re-recordings (along w/ a few new songs), titled Spirit of '84. They made a performance video for "I Got a Line on You" (w/ assistance from guitarist Jeff "Skunk" Baxter and some other friends), which briefly garnered some play on MTV at the time. I recognized the song, and was instantly hooked on its updated length and sound. In short, I felt it kicked @$$ - THIS is the version that has real "punch and driving energy", and truly "rocks more"! :-) (I'm not usually a fan of re-makes/re-recordings, but IMO, this is one of those rare occasions where the new one tops the original. Anybody else remember Edgar Winter's disastrous - and dated - new hip-hop version of "Frankenstein", which also got some MTV play in '84???)
Alas, I only saw that new video a total of three or four times before it quickly disappeared; had the song caught on, and even crossed over to pop radio, I know it would've convinced me to run out and buy the album, but back then, I didn't. (However, the MTV airplay did manage to spur some AOR radio stations to also pick up the song, as it did crack Billboard's album rock tracks chart for a couple of weeks that August, peaking at #54.) Researching this today, I see that Mercury only went so far as to issue a promo 12" single here in the U.S.; I can find no evidence of a commercial 45 being released in '84. W/ more of a promotional push, it would've been interesting to see if that updated version of "I Got a Line on You" could've put Spirit back on the map...
But as time passed, I never forgot that video. (Was the lead singer really that same guy who had the hit "Thunder Island" that I liked as a kid?!?) Then in the early '00s, the "VH-1 Classic" channel came along and lo & behold, once in a blue moon they would play the video for that '84 version of "I Got a Line on You", which finally convinced me I HAD to add it to my music collection. Yet sadly, to this day, as far as I know, the '84 version has NEVER appeared on a U.S. CD! (And if it has, would Pat even consider acknowledging it in his book/database???) Luckily, in 2005, the U.K. label Beat Goes On (BGO) re-issued the Spirit of '84 album as a 2-in-1 package, paired w/ the group's 1977 album, Future Games - so several years ago, I bought it. (The album was actually released on CD in '84 in Europe as well, under the title The Thirteenth Dream - but those original pressings go for huge $$$ today...)
However, upon listening to the Spirit of '84 album for the first time, I was a bit surprised to discover that the LP version of the updated "I Got a Line on You" clocked in at a whopping (7:36) - far longer than the (4:14) video version I'd gotten hooked on back in the day. According to the label, the U.S. promo 12" single on Mercury PRO 301-1 contains an "edit" version running 4:52 - anyone here know if that's accurate??? And if so, then was the 4:14 video version ever issued on vinyl??? Or better yet, does anyone know of a CD (domestic or import) that contains the 4:14 video version??? This is one of those rare cases where I actually prefer the shorter version. :-) Thanks in advance...
"I Got a Line on You" (1984 version) (crank it!)
"Frankenstein" (1984 version) (*cringeworthy*)
Oh, and let's not forget Alice Cooper covered "I Got a Line on You" in 1988 for the Iron Eagle II soundtrack, for which he did make a video and actually WAS released as a commercial single here in the U.S.: AC's cover (sorry, Alice, but you *butchered* it - thankfully, it didn't chart!)
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Speaking of Spirit, I have a Roulette single from 1967 "No
Time To Rhyme" by The Spirit? Other than being guitar-
rock songs they don't sound that much alike. I have an
old 80s-vintage price guide that puts this in with the Ode
band Spirit. Does anyone know if they're the same band or
not? I asked this on the BSN board a while back & no one
seemed to know.
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Hykker wrote:
Speaking of Spirit, I have a Roulette single from 1967 "No
Time To Rhyme" by The Spirit? Other than being guitar-
rock songs they don't sound that much alike. I have an
old 80s-vintage price guide that puts this in with the Ode
band Spirit. Does anyone know if they're the same band or
not? I asked this on the BSN board a while back & no one
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The Spirit that did "No Time To Rhyme" was a garage band from Flushing-Queens, New York. No relation to the more popular "Spirit" band.
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