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Paul Haney
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EdisonLite wrote:
| Speaking of calling Record Research, I've called twice this past week - spoke to a Brent and a woman whose name I don't remember. But they told me there are only 3 people who work in the office. Paul, I take it you are the 3rd! They mentioned the first name of the 3rd person, but I don't recall what they said. Guess I just missed you! |
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Ha! Yes, there's just Brent, Jeanne and myself. Just ask for me next time and I'll be glad to talk to you (we all take turns answering the phones, so you may just get "lucky" and get me right away)!
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I know how much research and time it takes to put a book together. I have researched radio station charts for the past 20 years and here locally in Michigan have put together my own research guides to CKLW, WXYZ, WJBK & WKNR among other stations, so I do know a little of how much time and energy it takes to tackle such a project.
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Bondy wrote:
Paul,
I just received the Record World bubbling under book and
have to tell you that I'm dissapointed. This book should
of had a lot more titles that bubbled under.
Apparently,the book only lists records that did not
appear in any of Whitburn's Billboard books. I think that
for $50.00 the book should contain ALL the records that
Bubbled Under in Record World including those that went
on to make the top 100. This book has only 176 pages
while the top 100 book has 418 pages. Whitburn charges
the same price for both books. Somehow, this doesn't seem
fair. The Bubbling Under book should of been complete
with all the records that bubbled under or at least cost
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one more important piece of info that may have been
overlooked here. If a song made the Cashbox charts and
will be in a future RR book then it would also not be in
this Bubbling Under volume for RW. Can you confirm this
Paul?
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Paul Haney
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Santi Paradoa wrote:
| There is also one more important piece of info that may have been overlooked here. If a song made the Cashbox charts and will be in a future RR book then it would also not be in this Bubbling Under volume for RW. Can you confirm this Paul? |
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Yes Santi, that statement is correct.
Our original idea was to just do one book that would contain anything that hit in either Music Vendor/Record World and/or Cash Box, but didn't make Billboard. After further discussion, we decided that there needed to be a book covering the complete Top 100 of MV/RW, thus the original "Hit Records" book was born. During the research for that original book, Joel was excited to see all of the "new" titles on the #101-150 charts. He thought that others would be just as interested in those titles, thus the #101-150 book. When Joel looked for the exclusive titles, he already had the Cash Box Top 100-exclusive titles accounted for in our internal database (due to the original book idea mentioned above). Thus, those titles that only made the Cash Box Top 100 chart are NOT listed in the #101-150 RW book.
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Wow, that's a real shame. That's even more disappointing than just the Billboard charted hits not being in this RW Bubbling Under book.
Yesterday, when I tried explaining to a friend why not all the RW 101-150 peakers were in the RW book, my reasoning backfired. I explained to him that it had to do with the time involved in researching - not so much the peak position of a song because that could easily be obtained when the researcher went through the bubbling under charts (and he clearly had to go through each one for the RW book). I explained that it probably had to do with the time involved in determining other very time-absorbing factual info such as group members, record label and #, etc. THEN I realized this WAS already determined - because all that bio & label info would be listed in the Billboard books already published. NO NEW research was needed, just the peak #. So I really wish they'd included those songs, and now I know we'll never get the peak positions of RW Bubbling Under songs if they made the Billboard charts OR the Cashbox charts! This is really sad because I really wanted those numbers. Paul, can you guys at least do some kind of update for the missing pieces, even if we have to buy a pdf file with the peak position of the missing songs? That's more money we'd have to spend just for what we (or at least, I) thought I was already purchasing, but I do want that info very much.
And what about the R&R charts? Did the researcher also cross reference the Radio & Records charts to make sure each song didn't peak in those charts as well?
Also - what will be missing from the Cashbox books (particularly, a Bubbling Under book)?
And don't get me wrong, I appreciate the time and work that went into the RW book. But it seems to me, the time the researcher spent to cross reference and check that a song didn't make the Billboard Hot 100, the Billboard Bubbling Under, the Cashbox charts and (perhaps) the Radio & Record charts, instead he simply could have noted the song's peak in RW - and gotten the artist and label info from the Billboard books.
Edited by EdisonLite on 29 December 2012 at 2:09pm
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Is there any talks of RR doing a Radio & Records pop book?
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In the '90s, I bought from Radio & Records their "chart book" - it wasn't a published book like what we're used to, but rather xeroxed pages in a 3-hole type of folder. It went from '74 to '96 (was '74 the year they started, and if so, what's the first issue date?), and contained the following:
The year-end charts
The peak positions of all songs that reached the top 15 in any given year
My question is: how far below #15 did the pop and AC charts go? Does anyone know?
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The best resource for R&R info is here:
http://wweb.uta.edu/faculty/gghunt/charts/chart.html
From that site:
1973 and 1974 R+R's chart was only a TOP 20 chart, though that was inconsistent - some weeks the chart would be top 22, top 23, top 21 --- variable. Late in the year it moved to top 30 and finally a TOP 40 chart for the first time on 11/29/74. Therefore if the "weeks in the chart" column has a star next to it, that means weeks on chart could mean weeks on the top 20, top 24, top 30, etc. i.e. an inconsistently sized NON-top 40 chart.
The top 40 chart of 11/29/74 lasted until 10/8/76. The chart on 10/15/76 was a top 30 chart, and remained that way until 1983, therefore "weeks on chart" for song hitting in this time period means weeks on the top 30. From June 1983 until May 1995, the chart was again 40 songs, and May 1995-present the chart was 50 songs.
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EdisonLite
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Wow, I didn't realize the # of positions changed that much. Thanks, Aaron - I'll check out that link. Is there any website or database that lists all R&R pop peak positions (even beyond the top 15 they published in the looseleaf notebooks they sold to those who asked)?
[UPDATE: I just checked that link, which answers my question. It lists all pop peaks. COOL!!!'
Also, did Cashbox and Record World have AC/Easy Listening charts from the '70s until their respective demises (in '93 and '92)?
Edited by EdisonLite on 06 January 2013 at 12:17pm
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