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I have commercial 45s for all 4 of these 1966 Top 40 database entries, and I have discovered, that for:
"When Liking Turns To Loving"-the listed time is (2:36), but the actual time is (2:50).
"Let's Start All Over Again"-the listed time is (2:30), but the actual time is (2:38).
"I Really Don't Want To Know"-the listed time is (2:49), but the actual time is (3:02).
"Happy Summer Days"-the listed time is (2:08), but the actual time is (2:17).
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I don't think a single Ronnie Dove 45 played to the time listed on the label. The recordings on the 45s were sped up, at that...ive heard a few of them at the original recorded speed, what a difference!
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Not surprisingly, and to further reiterate the point Tom has already made above, I have also just uncovered a timing error for Dove's 5th and final 1966 Top 40 hit, "Cry". My commercial 45 (confirmed as Diamond 214, is vinyl, with deadwax info of "D214A") has a listed time of (2:47), but an actual time of (2:56). FYI, the three current database CDs that include this song all run either (2:56) or (2:57).
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And my own Diamond 45 of "Cry" is exactly 2:56 verified by timing. Diamond 45 timings listed never could be relied on. All our station library copies have the correct timings written on them by Program Directors.
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We can add one more from 1965. My U.S. commercial 45 of "I'll Make All Your Dreams Come True" (Diamond 188) states the run time as (2:29), but I timed it at (2:38).
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KentT wrote:
| Diamond 45 timings listed never could be relied on. All our station library copies have the correct timings written on them by Program Directors. |
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Not to mention the fact that the quality of vinyl used rivals that of Dunhill 45s of that period as far as noisy pressings go.
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Hykker wrote:
Not to mention the fact that the quality of vinyl used rivals that of Dunhill 45s of that period as far as noisy pressings go.
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The Diamond label was one of those rare instances where the Monarch-pressed styrene 45s turned out to be the holy grails. The non-west coast Diamond 45s were actually pressed on medium-grit sandpaper, spray-painted black.
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Yah Shure wrote:
| The non-west coast Diamond 45s were actually pressed on medium-grit sandpaper, spray-painted black. |
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LOL!
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The east cost promotional copies were usually on translucent brown vinyl which played a whole lot nicer than their standard stock copies did.
Strange things went on back then... the two Kolsky brothers ran the Diamond label and a third brother owned one of the east coast pressing plants the records got pressed up at... they would charge distributors for 100,000 copies of a single and send them 150,000 copies, they would write off promotional copies against artist royalties (often times pressing up many, many more promotional copies than needed -- and then selling those at lower costs in some stores). Some of the stories I've heard over the years actually confirm a lot of things Tommy James talks about in his book (as a lot of these record guys in New York were from the same mafia).
Actually, I try to find Canadian pressings when I can, they're usually on good vinyl and use the US stampers.
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jimct wrote:
"Happy Summer Days"-the listed time is (2:08), but the actual time is (2:17).
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I timed both east coast and west coast pressings of Happy Summer Days out to (2:16) in length, with the west coast pressing playing just a hair faster.
As for other 45's of Ronnie's, just for the sake of having these in my hands right now:
my 45s of Right Or Wrong have a listed time of (2:06) but I timed both east and west coast pressings to an actual time of (2:11).
My east coast pressing of One Kiss For Old Times' Sake has a listed time of (2:35) but an actual time of (2:58)
My west coast pressing of Kiss Away has a listed time of (2:37) but an actual time of (2:41). Stereo versions on cd are an alternate take that first showed up on a 1981 LP, though Diamond lp's did have the 45 take in stereo.
Edited by TomDiehl1 on 01 December 2012 at 2:44am
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TomDiehl1 wrote:
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I'd never noticed that before...I only have 2 Diamond promos ("Cry" by RD and a 1967 stiff by Dawn's Early Light), but they're both the semi-translucent brown like you mentioned. Not sure I'd use the word "nicer" as to how they sound, maybe less bad...
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I like the Dawn's Early Light recording, it was #1 in New York according to band members who heard it while driving to a gig. My stock copy of that one actually has the translucent brown vinyl, too. There are two alternate mixes floating around of that recording, too... one that a band member put on youtube and another I found on a Mirasound acetate on ebay last year.
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